Calzaghe: Verbal Assault

[Ryn0]

Same for Calzaghe

Not really he is fighter B-Hop a Big name but as good as he is Hopkins is still over the hill and that is the excuse most will give if B-Hop loses. Toward your earlier statement about Trinidad and DLH they were smaller men regardless of weight Hopkins has a better reach, height etc. his frame was more of less built for that weight whereas trinidad and DLH were proberbly more suited at welter or light-middle. Perhaps if Calzaghe had fought Hopkins earlier it then Hopkins would have been the best on his list but i honestly believe that Hopkins is nowhere near as good as he used to be. He manages to mask his weakness with his style and try to spoil others style's which is exactly what calzaghe does. I don't believe at His age now that he can keep up with calzaghe's workrate and will proberly get beat in a wide UD and retire Hopkins but that the way i see it.

[steptwome]

[QUOTE=Black Jesus;2821312]I see alot of revisionism in this thread, i honestly feel like alot of you guys have only been around the sport the last couple years to say the **** youre saying, tarver was expected to basically knock the **** out of hopkins and put him out, tarver was the favorite, like i said in another thread, tito was not too small for middleweight, was anyone saying that **** when he was scoring knockouts at that weight? or when hopkins was a major underdog in that fight? let me guess, tito was past it and was all hype? yea right.

some of you guys are so full of ****, joe himself is full of ****, he knows for a fact what those fights meant and hes talking out of his ass to get a fight on. but for some of you to give credibility to **** like "tarver was past it" "tito was too small" come on man, if you have been around the sport more than a few months, you remember the circumstances of those fights, and none of you people were saying those things for the most part when they happened. You guys are so full of ****.[/QUOTE]

LOL.........................................

[Wiley Hyena]

Weigh-in weight means nothing. It is indisputable that Bernard is naturally the much, much bigger man than ODH (who looks like a bloated fat boy when he's above 160) and Tito who has the build of a stick with ****. These guys are naturally welterweights who had conquered their prime division and tried to make history by overreaching themselves into middleweight waters. Kind of like what RJJ did (who is no heavyweight himself) but only failed to do it like he did. Bore-nard is and has always been a light heavyweight. He even started his career at Light Heavy. Oscar started his career at 135 and Tito at 140...a huge contrast so don't try and feed me that weigh-in BS.

Bore-nard is no living legend, what has he done that is so "legendary" besides beating a division filled with bums for over a decade? He sat in that division and cowered while RJJ was the LHW king and Calzaghe was the head honcho at 168. Bore-nard knew he could never beat these two guys so he adopted this "gym rat" facade and took the reigns in a division with questionable opposition until the time was right to strike. He used his big, ****** mouth and developed "me against the world" hype to land a fight with a bloated Mexican and beat him. He fought RJJ in his prime at 27 years old and got schooled which was the only true challenge he has ever taken against an opponent equal to himself in size (besides a weight-drained and overrated Tarver).

Joe schools this fake-ass convicted perp at any point in their respective careers.

KABOOOM! A depleted uranium round of a post.

But, I will say that Bernard at middleweight was a formidable champ. From Tito forward, however, he's been focused on business fights to enhance his legacy. (But I did love that bodyshot on Oscar.)

[OptimusWolf]

I think both sides have a point here.

Hopkins resume isn't all that to be honest, at least until he beat Tarver and Wright.

Trinidad was a great performance, but Oscar was truly too small, he'd get murdered by Taylor, Pavlik etc.

Calzaghe has a great performance against Lacy and a win against Kessler that trumps any of Bernards IMO. Overall Hopkins has a slightly better wins ledger but also has 2 losses to a middling champ in Taylor and a loss to RJJ (no minus points for that though) whereas calalzaghe is unbeaten. They are both bound for the HoF.

[Jim Jeffries]

I mean at the time of when they fought Hopkins.
You understand what I mean?
If they were the same skill , age as when they fought Borenard.
I reckonTito & Oscar would lose to these 3.
But they wouldn't get any credit.
So why does Borenard ?
It doesn't make sense.

Kind of like giving Hagler credit for decisioning Duran, an ATG lightweight, at middleweight.

[moofo]

Kind of like giving Hagler credit for decisioning Duran, an ATG lightweight, at middleweight.

Duran was a Phenom.
Anyway....Hagler isn't in question in this thread.
Also Hagler was a True Middleweight and not a Light-Heavy boiling down.

[jayfelice]

Someone really needs to retire Hopkins, I fear that if Calzaghe beats Hopkins by UD. Hopkins will not retire because he is really a stubborn person, Calzaghe has to be the first to ever Ko Hopkins so hopkins realizes that he needs to retire now.

[PeROxiDE]

Calzaghe has to be the first to ever Ko Hopkins so hopkins realizes that he needs to retire now.

More than possible at LHW, Joe has been struggling to make the 168 limit for a while now, and he believes he punches harder at the LHW limit anyway, he just didn't want to step up until he was considered to be the best at SMW. It is that kind of ambition that makes him the champion that he is. Bernard sadly lacks this ambition, he has dodged a few big fights in his career because he believed he would lose, if he was as good as most of the nuthuggers on this site think he is then he would back himself against any opponent in much the same style as Calzaghe. Bernard never did have the self belief to step into the ring with Calzaghe, and this time will be no different. Expect Bernard to try every trick in the book not to get in with Calzaghe, if he does FINALLY grow a pair he will get beaten badly, KO or points shutout.