A new Pound-for-Pound List....and it's very good!!

[Likely_Lad]

Pavlik has KO'd a top, proven champion. Calzaghe hasn't been anywhere near a guy with Jermain's credentials.

Pavlik isn't even in Calzaghe's league. Explain how Taylor is a proven champion? He fought old men or blown up welters/light middleweight. The first live middleweight he faced he was KO'd?

[Easy-E]

Somehow you ALWAYS speak before researching ANY FACTS.

A. Trinidad is BLOWN UP middleweight that Calzaghe, Kessler of any other fighter at 168 would murder.

B. A Calzaghe-Johnson fight was made four times and cancelled four times because of injuires on BOTH ends.

C. Tarver lost to Hopkins before the fight could ever happen. There were talks and Tarver asked for almost 10 million.

D. When was James Toney or Kelly Pavlik available for Calzaghe? Where do you get this **** from?

E. Jones priced himself out last year and Calzaghe has been at 168 while Jones has been at 175. Taylor priced himself out this year and took Pavlik instead.

When Jones was in his prime Calzaghe attempted to call him out, and Jones offered Joe a fight in the US for 60/40 which recieved no response.
Face it Joe didnt want a prime Roy, and for good reason.

Theres no way anyone can claim Joe has faced the best opposition out there with a straight face.

[me2007]

Jermaine is one of the best fighters in the world, Calslappy is not in his league. JT beat HOPKINS!!! who has calzone fought who was as good as Hopkins. Taylor is an ATG who should have beaten Pavlik but Pavlik got lucky.

[Easy-E]

Pavlik isn't even in Calzaghe's league. Explain how Taylor is a proven champion? He fought old men or blown up welters/light middleweight. The first live middleweight he faced he was KO'd?

Taylor is a proven champion by beating the previous champion who had 20 title defenses twice. He then proved his caliber by fighting to a draw with a more technically skilled, more experienced Winky Wright.

Has Joe ever even FACED 2 fighters the caliber of Bhop and Winky?

[Celtic_Warrior]

Don't be saying that. Alot of reasonable minds can disagree as to that assessment of Pavlik. But, Calzaghe deserves to be in top ten p4p, no doubt.

I'm not saying that Pavlik cant be in the top ten in the future but with one World Title fight/win under his belt how do you justify him being in there?

[BIGPOPPAPUMP]

This is the only one you got wrong poppa.

What he meant is that Trinidad, Eastman and Joppy are better resume wise then anybody that Calzaghe has fought. He didn't imply that Trinidad would beat the other Supper-middle's that Calzaghe has beaten but that he was a better win for Hopkins then most Calzaghe wins.

Hopkins-Trinidad was a physical mismatch. Trinidad was too small for him and so was Joppy. Lacy has being groomed as being the next Mike Tyson and all of a sudden he's washed up after Calzaghe dominated him. Before that fight, almost the entire US and UK media had Lacy a very heavy favorite.

Charles Brewer, Eubank, Bika, Byron Mitchell, Woodhall and prime Sheika are just as good as Joppy or Eastman.

[Vladimir303]

Pavlik isn't even in Calzaghe's league. Explain how Taylor is a proven champion? He fought old men or blown up welters/light middleweight. The first live middleweight he faced he was KO'd?

He defeated one of the greatest Middleweight champions ever in Hopkins....twice. Hopkins hasn't lost in over a decade before Taylor

He had a draw against a Top ranked p4p fighter in Winky Wright who also hasn't lose in a decade at that point.

He defeated two former and current jr.middleweight champions in Ouma and Spinks.

That's why.

Calzaghe has been holding on to his WBO title for way too long fighting mandatory's who dont' have a shot. His victory over Jeff Lacy is the only thing of note since he became champion years ago.

[Easy-E]

I'm not saying that Pavlik cant be in the top ten in the future but with one World Title fight/win under his belt how do you justify him being in there?

It makes perfect logical sense.
Taylor was the number 4 or 5 p4p, he was then knocked out in an excellent preformance by Pavlik, and then Pavlik enters the top 10.
Similar to the way Taylor entered the top 10 after his victory over BHop and Hatton entered the top 10 after his victory over Tzsyu.

[BIGPOPPAPUMP]

When Jones was in his prime Calzaghe attempted to call him out, and Jones offered Joe a fight in the US for 60/40 which recieved no response.
Face it Joe didnt want a prime Roy, and for good reason.

Theres no way anyone can claim Joe has faced the best opposition out there with a straight face.

Calzaghe had a contract with Showtime at the time and Jones had one with HBO, there was not enough money in that fight for the networks to come together.

[Easy-E]

Hopkins-Trinidad was a physical mismatch. Trinidad was too small for him and so was Joppy. Lacy has being groomed as being the next Mike Tyson and all of a sudden he's washed up after Calzaghe dominated him. Before that fight, almost the entire US and UK media had Lacy a very heavy favorite.

Charles Brewer, Eubank, Bika, Byron Mitchell, Woodhall and prime Sheika are just as good as Joppy or Eastman.

I dont think anyone said he was washed up, it was more that he just wasnt that good of a fighter.
His next fight cemented that fact.