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[Easy-E]

Steve Collins was and still is considered a great super middleweight.

Right, I was saying he was coming off 2 losses to the only competent fighter he had fought in ages, and then got beat twice by Carl Thompson before retiring.
Theres no way any logical person could put the Eubank win on a pedestal.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

A. Trinidad is BLOWN UP middleweight that Calzaghe, Kessler of any other fighter at 168 would murder.
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Why did you just pull Tito out of your butt as a 168 contender?? I NEVER listed Tito as a candidate for 168. I listed legitimate MW through LHW guys that Slappy COULD have fought but DID NOT fight...

Stay in your lane, playa. Reading doesn't appear to be your strength.

[Vladimir303]

Hopkins was 40 years of age for gods sake and he still only managed close wins. Winky was also past his best and he drew. Ouma is a Light Middle, Spinks is a blown up welter.

Taylor is a talented fighter but he obviously isn't that good, be realistic.

Actually you be realistic and more fair and balanced on this subject before continuing. You're spining things man to support your arguement.

I can find you a million guys on Calzaghe's resume who were has been's or never were's at the time he fought them to support my arguement as well.

[SkillspayBills]

What promoters? It's cable company contracts and they are considered WAY before there are discussions over money. A Jones-Calzaghe fight was worth nothing back then in the US and I'm not so sure that its worth much now. In the UK it would have made an insane amount of money for both of them.

I JUST TOLD YOU, Jones was willing to go to the UK to face Calzaghe. YOU HAVE JUST STATED the fight would have made tons of money for the both of them then and it would have still made a significant amount of money now. Trinidad and Jones are making 8 digits each and they are both over the hill. I know you aren't telling me RJJ isn't a name that wouldn't garner some attention.

[MickyHatton]

Wow, so Hopkins was old, even though he climbed up 2 divisions and won the ring title by beating Antionio Tarver and following that with a tough decision win against Winky Wright; but Eubank, who had recently dropped two decision losses to Steve Collins and was decisioned and stopped by Carl Thompson before retiring is considered a big, important win in Joe's career.

You cannot be serious with that post.

Sorry mate but you contradict yourself with this post. Calzaghe beating an ageing great in Eubank means nothing but Taylor beating an ageing great in Hopkins means he's a great fighter?

[Easy-E]

Sorry mate but you contradict yourself with this post. Calzaghe beating an ageing great in Eubank means nothing but Taylor beating an ageing great in Hopkins means he's a great fighter?

Wow are you serious???
Its about what they did AFTER THE FIGHT that shows their quality.
Hopkins went to 175 and won Ring Magazine title by beating Antionio Tarver and then beating Winky Wright, while Eubank lost two fights to Carl ****ing Thompson.

[Maxy]

I JUST TOLD YOU, Jones was willing to go to the UK to face Calzaghe. YOU HAVE JUST STATED the fight would have made tons of money for the both of them then and it would have still made a significant amount of money now. Trinidad and Jones are making 8 digits each and they are both over the hill. I know you aren't telling me RJJ isn't a name that wouldn't garner some attention.

Whatever Jones may have said, he was never willing to go to the UK. By the same token it appears Calzaghe was/will never go to the US. Its a stalemate.

[BIGPOPPAPUMP]

Yes Lacy has been groomed as something he is not way before he accomplished anything serious but winning a sanctioning body belt.

Byron Mitchell was coming off of a loss when he fought Calzaghe and shouldn't even have gotten a title shot.

Charles Brewer lost to Anwon Echols (you know the guy hopkins has beaten twice) 2 fights ago when he fought Calzaghe.

Sheika??? Didn't he lose to the same bum Tony Booth that posts around here?

Woodhall, he lost to Beyer (a lesser champion then Calzaghe) before fighting Calzaghe.

Those 3 right there are definitely not better then Joppy or eastman at the time Hopkins fought them. Eastman only lost to Joppy when B-hop fought him and Joppy regained another belt before fighting Hopkins again.

What did you run to boxrec?

Eastman lost to Joppy and every middleweight with a pulse beat. So what if Brewer lost to Echols, if you actually WATCHED the fight you would have known it was a very controversial stoppage.

Sheikas has always been a tough fight for anyone, yeah he lost to Booth in 99, BUT YOU NEGLECT THAT HE THEN BEAT Simon Brown and won a clean decision over GLEN JOHNSON in an "ELIMINATOR" to land the Calzaghe fight.

[SkillspayBills]

Sorry mate but you contradict yourself with this post. Calzaghe beating an ageing great in Eubank means nothing but Taylor beating an ageing great in Hopkins means he's a great fighter?

I could have sworn that consensus has stated that Hopkins isn't the average 40 year old.

[Easy-E]

What did you run to boxrec?

Eastman lost to Joppy and every middleweight with a pulse beat. So what if Brewer lost to Echols, if you actually WATCHED the fight you would have known it was a very controversial stoppage.

Sheikas has always been a tough fight for anyone, yeah he lost to Booth in 99, BUT YOU NEGLECT THAT HE THEN BEAT Simon Brown and won a clean decision over GLEN JOHNSON in an "ELIMINATOR" to land the Calzaghe fight.

Sheika is not a good fighter by any means, BPP.
Eastman isnt anything to brag about, either.