Was Miguel Angel Gonzalez an ELITE fighter?

[Wiley Hyena]

LOL they are not elite you dumb **** , and Chavez was shot after ODH blew him away ,,,,, you are all for titles out of weetie packets and over the hill names , you cant comprehend whats real , you are all about hype !

Gonzales, Judah, and Mitchell (at that time) were "elite." I don't know how you interpret that word, but in my book they were elite. Maybe you're going with this modern version of "elite"...ie...pay per view commodity. If so, then your interpretation is skewed, along with your opinions generally.

[ThaHorseman]

Yawn....no contradictions here. Hurtado? Did I mention Hurtado? You just mentioned Hurtado. You just cannot get over the assertion that Oscar moved out of the division with Tszyu nipping at his heels for a number of years. Yes, Oscar let himself be stripped and Tszyu was awarded the belt. Yes, Oscar fought an older Pernell who in his prime would have beaten Oscar. It was a good showing by Oscar, but it was not his best challenge. Tszyu would have been his best challenge. He didn't take it.

I know Gonzales won the WBC belt in 92 and held it for a number of years and was fighting with that belt at stake in 1997 when he lost to Oscar. 92-97, is the reign, I believe. I know he didn't lose in that 5 year period, so you do the math.

You mentioned Hurtado the last time we argued about this. How convenient that you forgot. I'm sure you can go back and look that one up. As for Gonzales vs DLH, it was Oscar's belt that they fought for. Sorry, better luck next time.

You seem to love using W's as a measuring stick (no matter who the opponent is), so here it goes: Whitaker hadn't lost since '88 when he fought DLH in '97 and was considered one of the best pound for pound fighters in the world.

Also, to further avoid damaging your reputation, please stop refering to 23 year old Zab Judah as ELITE. And Mitchell.

[RodBarker]

Wiley got owned again , dam he gets flogged by everyone in these debates .

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

Lol why would I be pissed off. You must take the internet way to serious Az.

For real!!

[ferocity]

I would say yes, he was the best lightweight out there when he was around. And gave Delahoya hell for 12 rounds. He gave Spinks a fair fight and Collazo too.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

Gonzales, Judah, and Mitchell (at that time) were "elite." I don't know how you interpret that word, but in my book they were elite. Maybe you're going with this modern version of "elite"...ie...pay per view commodity. If so, then your interpretation is skewed, along with your opinions generally.

Zab Judah was "elite" ? He was 24 years old and talented but had not beaten anyone of note.

What made Judah elite?

and when you say "at that time" for Sharmba..are you talking about the first fight...or both?

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

Wiley got owned again , dam he gets flogged by everyone in these debates .

Poor guy. He means well. But he needs his water wings out here.

He would lose about 70% less arguments if he avoided the Kostya Tszyu topic.

[ThaHorseman]

I would say yes, he was the best lightweight out there when he was around. And gave Delahoya hell for 12 rounds. He gave Spinks a fair fight and Collazo too.

I'm not trying to start an argument cuz I'm about to be outta here. This is for informational purposes only and I'm sure you already know this: DLH beat him convincingly, Spinks almost shut him out and Collazo KO'd him. I know those were towards the end of his career, but they just aren't the best examples to use.

[ferocity]

I'm not trying to start an argument cuz I'm about to be outta here. This is for informational purposes only and I'm sure you already know this: DLH beat him convincingly, Spinks almost shut him out and Collazo KO'd him. I know those were towards the end of his career, but they just aren't the best examples to use.

Also what you failed to suggest is that he was at his best as a lightweight. I've seen those fights and he held his own, after all he was a faded version of himself.

[RodBarker]

Also what you failed to suggest is that he was at his best as a lightweight. I've seen those fights and he held his own, after all he was a faded version of himself.

Held your own and losing dont convert to elite , thats what we a talking about here elite , nobody is saying he was not a good fighter but Elite , no !

Of the top of my head elite fighters

Ali Robinson Hagler Hearns Leonard Benitez Pryor Arguello Mosley ODH Pac Barrera Benn Floyd Kostya Olivares Monzon Moore Louis Jones Hopkins Trinidad ,,, thats just a few , you could list another 100 easy that were right on top ,,,,,,,, judah mitchell class fighters are not elite in my book .