Will Cotto's Aggression Work Against Him?

[oldgringo]

Cotto lunges with everything, sometimes he even runs in. Shane Mosley is a master of creating angles and openings allowing himself the ability to punch his opponent without making him vulnerable to return fire. As the ring put it; "..hitting Miguel Cotto is as easy as hitting a billboard with a snowball.." Lesser fighters than Shane Mosley have made it look EASY as **** to tee of on Cotto's head.. Imagine what a MASTER is going to do.

Miguel is going to do most of Shane's work for him. Cotto will be walking into Shane's shots moving into the crosshairs ALL NIGHT. And Cotto will do so aggressively. That's what Miguel Cotto DOES.

When Mosley initiates it's going to get even uglier..

But this is about Cotto's aggression..


Cotto is fundamentally vulnerable regardless of whether he's coming or going.

Overall, he's going to do himself in with aggression in this fight because he's fighting Shane Mosley. Shane is a counterpuncher of the highest caliber. Specifically, Shane counters with explosive stuff when he gets hit hard, and Cotto hits pretty good.. Cotto is going to provide the perfect combination of powerful offense to activate Shane Mosley's wrath, and vulnerable defense and questionable chin to suffer the consequences.

Exhibit A) The logistics of Cotto's offense, footwork, lack of head movement, and predictable combinations and preferred target area will make him the recipient of bad positioning, loss of balance, and nasty counterpunching.

Exhibit B) The guy he's fighting LOVES to brawl and answers hard shots with shots just as hard if not harder.


OK Gringo, your turn.

You could have done without the first part. You basically said that Mosley is an unstoppable fire breathing monster who will turn into the incredible hulk once Cotto hits him. You said the same **** that everyone has been saying all along, except you dressed it up in a 5000 dollar suit.

This is intriguing though:

The logistics of Cotto's offense, footwork, lack of head movement, and predictable combinations and preferred target area will make him the recipient of bad positioning, loss of balance, and nasty counterpunching.

Cotto has very good footwork when moving forward on his opponent. He often has his feet in position so that he can let loose with punches while maintaining his balance. This fight will be fought at close range.

I agree with you that Cotto lunges sometimes. He has short arms and that forces him to use strong arm tactics to get in range. He did a great job of using a strong jab to get in on Judah down the stretch of their bout. I hope he can make use of that against Mosley.

I think that Mosley has a real shot at catching Cotto coming in. He also has that shot to use his fast hands to keep punches in Cottos face...and then hit him with a hellish looping shot that he doesn't see.

The more determined man will win this fight. I haven't seen Cotto broken yet. Mosley has been broken a couple of times now mentally. I think Cotto has the goods to break him physically, where Forrest and Wink defeated him mentally.

[Addison]

You could have done without the first part. You basically said that Mosley is an unstoppable fire breathing monster who will turn into the incredible hulk once Cotto hits him. You said the same **** that everyone has been saying all along, except you dressed it up in a 5000 dollar suit.

This is intriguing though:


Cotto has very good footwork when moving forward on his opponent. He often has his feet in position so that he can let loose with punches while maintaining his balance. This fight will be fought at close range.

I agree with you that Cotto lunges sometimes. He has short arms and that forces him to use strong arm tactics to get in range. He did a great job of using a strong jab to get in on Judah down the stretch of their bout. I hope he can make use of that against Mosley.

I think that Mosley has a real shot at catching Cotto coming in. He also has that shot to use his fast hands to keep punches in Cottos face...and then hit him with a hellish looping shot that he doesn't see.

The more determined man will win this fight. I haven't seen Cotto broken yet. Mosley has been broken a couple of times now mentally. I think Cotto has the goods to break him physically, where Forrest and Wink defeated him mentally.

[Addison]

lots of talk about only bigger opponents give Mosley problems but I think too many people are focusing on this issue. Cotto's physical stature has probably always made him the shorter opponent but I think Cotto will prove he packs a big enough punch to at times push shane around and hurt him. Cotto gets next to zero credit for having boxing skills which he uses in most every fight. Cotto slips punches on the inside gets fighters circling and controls distance very well. He also is quicker than most of his opponents think and will move in and out getting punches off, not just bull.

what I find interesting is how will Mosley fight Cotto? Will he try to counter and box, will he straight up rumble. If he finds brawling with Cotto isnt working can he go backwards against Cotto and give out more punishment than he receives? Definitely the closest fight I think of the big 3 and the most interesting/exciting.

You should read some of my posts..

Is Miguel Cotto some matrix-like engima now?..

Obviously Shane is FULLY capable of Boxing and brawling. You couldn't order a fighter out of a catalouge who's any better at both. Funny you should say that. If it becomes a brawl Mosley will be the one left standing. That's easy. And we know Cotto can't outbox Shane as RWK pointed out..

This is a no brainer. Mosley all the way.

[shawn_]

I agree with you. Mosley wins in every circumstance, unless he gets caught to the body and hits the canvas.

[Addison]

I agree with you. Mosley wins in every circumstance, unless he gets caught to the body and hits the canvas.

What if a massive 10.0 earthquake hits New York and the Garden collapses?

True, anything can happen..

[Wiley Hyena]

You should read some of my posts..

Is Miguel Cotto some matrix-like engima now?..

Obviously Shane is FULLY capable of Boxing and brawling. You couldn't order a fighter out of a catalouge who's any better at both. Funny you should say that. If it becomes a brawl Mosley will be the one left standing. That's easy. And we know Cotto can't outbox Shane as RWK pointed out..

This is a no brainer. Mosley all the way.

Yeah, but Oldgringo has a point about Shane's mental willpower. It HAS been broken before. Cotto's a pretty damned determined SOB. It could make a difference, Addie.

[shawn_]

What if a massive 10.0 earthquake hits New York and the Garden collapses?

True, anything can happen..

No, Mosley still win if that happens.

[Addison]

Yeah, but Oldgringo has a point about Shane's mental willpower. It HAS been broken before. Cotto's a pretty damned determined SOB. It could make a difference, Addie.

I was the first one to make that point, AHEM..

Cotto can be determined all he wants. My old lady has been determined to hit me in the face when we fight - that doesn't mean she was succesful.

I think the non-athletes and the alpha cats might seperate themselves out on a fight like this one. Cotto is a former obese, naturally uninclined gimp. Judah could have smoked his ass if not for circumstances in that fight - but more than anything Cotto was able to offset the physical advantages that Judah had with this "determination" you guys speak of.

Guess what???

Mosley was always a TOUGH mother****er. The only reason he ever truly "broke down" in the ring was because he was fighting the Human Fort Knox AKA Winky Wright. Vernon Forrest sure as **** didn't break him. I watched that fight again the other day - Shane was VALIANT against Forrest BOTH times, especially the first. Vernon Forrest had Shane Mosley's NUMBER. It's ****ing ******ed to even consider applying that situation to anything else. And that **** with Winky was handled proplerly in the rematch. Even Winky admitted that Shane got to him the second time as another poster mentioned recently.. This "breaking" **** is THIN.

That was MY ****ing idea.

I used it as a thought teaser myself.


Anyways, forget all that **** anyway. Mosley is a mean old man now if anything. He's much harder. Anyone who's been in this **** from the beginning knows where Shane is at right now. He might be more dangerous than he's ever been. I'll take his new mental steel and heightened awareness over his youthful explosiveness anyday.


If Cotto had ANY physical advantages I might be worried but he doesn't.

You guys are talking about that mental ****??? Oh no!... Ah-uh.

Mosley is a grown ass man. Cotto is a tough kid.

Lets just see what that translates into..

[Addison]

No, Mosley still win if that happens.

Ok, now we're getting somewhere.

[Matt Marvelous]

Mosley by Decision is the pick here. I like Cotto as a fighter, but his style is wrong for a fight with Shane Mosley. Shane isn't shot or even significantly slowing down, in my view. With the knowledge of the human body, and the scientists and all that **** that we have today, men are able to compete at a high level for much longer than in years past. I don't believe that a fighter in his later 30's is necessarily incapable of beating similarly skilled opponents who are much younger. I think the combination of experience and athletic abilities (hand speed, balance, reflexes) will give Shane Mosley the advantage against an inside fighter. Cotto has ranged ability, but his goal is always ultimately to get inside and pound, pound, pound away. Shane will have plenty of opportunities to fire back at Cotto as he manuvers his way inside. I've seen Cotto hurt by punches that Shane could throw with more force than those who actually threw them. I fully expect Miguel will be pressing the action, taking the fight to Mosley, which I believe will leave him vulnerable to the faster and sharper punching of Shane Mosley. This, by all accounts, should be one of the five best fights of 2007.