Will Cotto's Aggression Work Against Him?

[Addison]

Mosley by Decision is the pick here. I like Cotto as a fighter, but his style is wrong for a fight with Shane Mosley. Shane isn't shot or even significantly slowing down, in my view. With the knowledge of the human body, and the scientists and all that **** that we have today, men are able to compete at a high level for much longer than in years past. I don't believe that a fighter in his later 30's is necessarily incapable of beating similarly skilled opponents who are much younger. I think the combination of experience and athletic abilities (hand speed, balance, reflexes) will give Shane Mosley the advantage against an inside fighter. Cotto has ranged ability, but his goal is always ultimately to get inside and pound, pound, pound away. Shane will have plenty of opportunities to fire back at Cotto as he manuvers his way inside. I've seen Cotto hurt by punches that Shane could throw with more force than those who actually threw them. I fully expect Miguel will be pressing the action, taking the fight to Mosley, which I believe will leave him vulnerable to the faster and sharper punching of Shane Mosley. This, by all accounts, should be one of the five best fights of 2007.

Good stuff. That says it all.

[Ray Ray]

EXCUSE ME?? Surely you must be joking. I like Cotto, but Judah's probably infertile after all the low blows he sustained from Cotto.

Damn Wiley, its a cold day in hell because we finally agree on something. Cotto is a class act but he a dirty fighter.

[shawn_]

Boxers do not extend their functionality like other atheletes are able to for one simple reason. The limiting factor in the length of a boxers career is the amount of brain damage they incur.

Thats why fighters slow down, wear and tear on the brain, not the body. Hopkins for example, has had a very cautious career, and consequently he can still somewhat keep up with the younger fighters.

Shane Mosley, has not really avoided punishment to well, but he has enough speed and power to make up for his slowed reaction times. Mosley is very hittable, but he is very capable of fighting in the trenches, so it works for him at the stage of his career.

[Wiley Hyena]

I was the first one to make that point, AHEM..

Cotto can be determined all he wants. My old lady has been determined to hit me in the face when we fight - that doesn't mean she was succesful.

I think the non-athletes and the alpha cats might seperate themselves out on a fight like this one. Cotto is a former obese, naturally uninclined gimp. Judah could have smoked his ass if not for circumstances in that fight - but more than anything Cotto was able to offset the physical advantages that Judah had with this "determination" you guys speak of.

Guess what???

Mosley was always a TOUGH mother****er. The only reason he ever truly "broke down" in the ring was because he was fighting the Human Fort Knox AKA Winky Wright. Vernon Forrest sure as **** didn't break him. I watched that fight again the other day - Shane was VALIANT against Forrest BOTH times, especially the first. Vernon Forrest had Shane Mosley's NUMBER. It's ****ing ******ed to even consider applying that situation to anything else. And that **** with Winky was handled proplerly in the rematch. Even Winky admitted that Shane got to him the second time as another poster mentioned recently.. This "breaking" **** is THIN.

That was MY ****ing idea.

I used it as a thought teaser myself.


Anyways, forget all that **** anyway. Mosley is a mean old man now if anything. He's much harder. Anyone who's been in this **** from the beginning knows where Shane is at right now. He might be more dangerous than he's ever been. I'll take his new mental steel and heightened awareness over his youthful explosiveness anyday.


If Cotto had ANY physical advantages I might be worried but he doesn't.

You guys are talking about that mental ****??? Oh no!... Ah-uh.

Mosley is a grown ass man. Cotto is a tough kid.

Lets just see what that translates into..

Well, I didn't know you had mentioned that before, and I just saw it in Oldgringo's post and it made sense to me. Shane is bad to the bone, no doubt about it. But, I'm just a little more on the fence about Cotto. I don't think Shane is going to blow him out. But, we'll see. I personally have been leaning toward a Cotto win because Shane hasn't appeared to be top form to me in years. He doesn't have the zipping fast explosiveness that he used to have. But, against Cotto he will have a reach advantage, and that killed him against Vernon. IN the case of Winky, well Winky just does what Winky does. The doubts I have of Cotto, apart from what's been stated, is his lack of knockout power. He's wicked to the body from a cumulative point of view, but I always expect Cotto to have more power than he actually exhibits. Man, I don't know. This is going to be a good match.

[Addison]

Boxers do not extend their functionality like other atheletes are able to for one simple reason. The limiting factor in the length of a boxers career is the amount of brain damage they incur.

Thats why fighters slow down, wear and tear on the brain, not the body. Hopkins for example, has had a very cautious career, and consequently he can still somewhat keep up with the younger fighters.

Shane Mosley, has not really avoided punishment to well, but he has enough speed and power to make up for his slowed reaction times. Mosley is very hittable, but he is very capable of fighting in the trenches, so it works for him at the stage of his career.

That's a good point. I've been worried about Cotto and how long he'll last. Miguel was slurring some at the post fight press conference for Judah..

This fight is going to put another 100,000 miles on him.


Regarding Shane; he hasn't been hit cleanly as many times, in as short a window - basically OVERALL as many times as Cotto has in 20 more fights.

Worry about Cotto.

[Wiley Hyena]

Boxers do not extend their functionality like other atheletes are able to for one simple reason. The limiting factor in the length of a boxers career is the amount of brain damage they incur.

Thats why fighters slow down, wear and tear on the brain, not the body. Hopkins for example, has had a very cautious career, and consequently he can still somewhat keep up with the younger fighters.

Shane Mosley, has not really avoided punishment to well, but he has enough speed and power to make up for his slowed reaction times. Mosley is very hittable, but he is very capable of fighting in the trenches, so it works for him at the stage of his career.

Well if you're saying brain damage denudes a boxer's reflexes, then I would certainly have to agree. But, reflexes do degrade with age as well, and then of course the first thing to go is the legs. That does not necessarily imply brain damage. That's just life, as far as I can see.

[Addison]

Well, I didn't know you had mentioned that before, and I just saw it in Oldgringo's post and it made sense to me. Shane is bad to the bone, no doubt about it. But, I'm just a little more on the fence about Cotto. I don't think Shane is going to blow him out. But, we'll see. I personally have been leaning toward a Cotto win because Shane hasn't appeared to be top form to me in years. He doesn't have the zipping fast explosiveness that he used to have. But, against Cotto he will have a reach advantage, and that killed him against Vernon. IN the case of Winky, well Winky just does what Winky does. The doubts I have of Cotto, apart from what's been stated, is his lack of knockout power. He's wicked to the body from a cumulative point of view, but I always expect Cotto to have more power than he actually exhibits. Man, I don't know. This is going to be a good match.

Should be exciting, Wiley.


I'm not concerned with Shane's speed at all.

I totally forfeit it. I haven't referred to it at all.

Shane is going to win on power and accuracy IMO.

He can be as slow as Cotto for all I care.


I just want this to turn into a rock-em-sock-em robot fight.

Seeing Cotto get crushed in exchanges was fun in the Torres fight, but I need something a little more substantial to fill my appetite.

[phallus]

You also said something about not being able to pressure a puncher.

when i was an am, i fought a guy who was just like calzaghe - same height 5'11 1/2", same weight ( well 3 lbs less, 165, instead of 168 ), and most importantly here, same style. he was a swamer / pressure fighter and i was a puncher. he dominated me. pressure works, the greatest - joe louis didn't like to be pressured.

Yeah, but Oldgringo has a point about Shane's mental willpower. It HAS been broken before. Cotto's a pretty damned determined SOB. It could make a difference, Addie.

this is my only question about shane. collazo can't hurt u with his punches and he's obviously not on shane's level. cotto somehow comes down from 180+ and makes 147 and he's one of the most mentally strong fighters of today. cotto's bodyshots, livershots and nut shots are really going to hurt shane. does shane have enough left to make it through another war?

Boxers do not extend their functionality like other atheletes are able to for one simple reason. The limiting factor in the length of a boxers career is the amount of brain damage they incur.

Thats why fighters slow down, wear and tear on the brain, not the body. Hopkins for example, has had a very cautious career, and consequently he can still somewhat keep up with the younger fighters.

Shane Mosley, has not really avoided punishment to well, but he has enough speed and power to make up for his slowed reaction times. Mosley is very hittable, but he is very capable of fighting in the trenches, so it works for him at the stage of his career.

this is just a really good post, i have nothing else to say

[Addison]

when i was an am, i fought a guy who was just like calzaghe - same height 5'11 1/2", same weight ( well 3 lbs less, 165, instead of 168 ), and most importantly here, same style. he was a swamer / pressure fighter and i was a puncher. he dominated me. pressure works, the greatest - joe louis didn't like to be pressured.




this is my only question about shane. collazo can't hurt u with his punches and he's obviously not on shane's level. cotto somehow comes down from 180+ and makes 147 and he's one of the most mentally strong fighters of today. cotto's bodyshots, livershots and nut shots are really going to hurt shane. does shane have enough left to make it through another war?




this is just a really good post, i have nothing else to say

Cotto has looked heavy his last few fights.

Should Shane come in heavy? I think so.

He needs armor and power to battle Cotto properly IMO.

I wouldn't put the emphasis on speed - but that's their call.

[Undocumented]

cotto is not as clean as they come how can you say such a lie, LIAR!

Satori, STFU... You insecure guido. Go get a perm and some tight black tshirts. Guidos don't count.