Tougher Fight: Tszyu @ 140... or Delahoya @ 154?

[steptwome]

Oscar fought Sturm at 160.

your absolutely right

[Rhys79]

De la hoya with 30 ko's in 35 wins is no accident. Pretty boy as he may be but it takes balls to stand in there and trade with him.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

your absolutely right

At 154, Oscar "beat" Shane, Vargas, castillejo, mayorga, etc.

But you are right. Oscar was a sloppy fat **** for Sturm.

[joepal]

If Tszyu was prime, why hasn't he fought again?

What kind of question is this?

[squealpiggy]

Squeal,

You just wanted to cast a Tszyu vote, so you rewote the question. You didn't address the spirit or letter of the question. But that's cool.

I think I answered in the spirit of the question seeing as this is at heart a Mayweather vs Hatton thread, but I have further reasoning: Tszyu was considered at the age of 36 in 2005 to be virtually unbeatable. He followed his loss to Phillips with a string of wins and knockouts, in fact 11 stoppages in 13 wins over eight years. Anyone he couldn't stop he outboxed. On the other hand Oscar had suffered his only stoppage loss two fights before Mayweather and his last 13 fights saw an addition three decision losses. In other words while he was possibly the best at 154 lbs (though I'm not sure he ever had the beating of Winky)he didn't have the aura of invincibility that Tszyu had.

I'm not going to knock the achievement, Mayweather moving up in weight and winning even a tight decision against a fighter the calibre of De La Hoya is no mean feat. But as an achievement winning a fight that most thought he had a good chance of winning is less than winning a fight that noone had given you a prayer of winning.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

What kind of question is this?

Boxers aren't exactly known to quit fighting in/before their primes.

I think it is a fair question: If Kostya Tszyu was in his prime when Hatton beat him, why hasn't he fought again?

[Rhys79]

well said.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

I think I answered in the spirit of the question seeing as this is at heart a Mayweather vs Hatton thread, but I have further reasoning: Tszyu was considered at the age of 36 in 2005 to be virtually unbeatable. He followed his loss to Phillips with a string of wins and knockouts, in fact 11 stoppages in 13 wins over eight years. Anyone he couldn't stop he outboxed. On the other hand Oscar had suffered his only stoppage loss two fights before Mayweather and his last 13 fights saw an addition three decision losses. In other words while he was possibly the best at 154 lbs (though I'm not sure he ever had the beating of Winky)he didn't have the aura of invincibility that Tszyu had.

I'm not going to knock the achievement, Mayweather moving up in weight and winning even a tight decision against a fighter the calibre of De La Hoya is no mean feat. But as an achievement winning a fight that most thought he had a good chance of winning is less than winning a fight that noone had given you a prayer of winning.

Um, OK Squizzy.

My personal opinion? I wouldn't be looking a stoppage loss to Hopkins throughthe same prism as fights vs Sharmba.

[squealpiggy]

Um, OK Squizzy.

My personal opinion? I wouldn't be looking a stoppage loss to Hopkins throughthe same prism as fights vs Sharmba.

That's the reason I isolated it. A stoppage loss to Hopkins is fair enough, it's not exactly a failing grade. But he had already proven that he was prone to losing decisions and could be outboxed by anyone good enough. Along comes the best boxer in the world, and you have even odds.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

That's the reason I isolated it. A stoppage loss to Hopkins is fair enough, it's not exactly a failing grade. But he had already proven that he was prone to losing decisions and could be outboxed by anyone good enough. Along comes the best boxer in the world, and you have even odds.

see, but you are coloring the with scenario through the "Floyd is #1 P4P" brush.

But if you asked the top 100 JWW's:

You have a fight in three months for the same money: Zoo at 140 or Oscar at 154.

?