Put Juan Diaz on the Pound 4 Pound list!

[Dirt E Gomez]

All you're doing is further proving my point. You said it yourself...he beat one of the top two guys at middleweight.

Did Juan Diaz beat a top two fighter at LW?

Refer to my previous post. In my opinion P4P is more about a fighter's ability in the ring than the belts they hold or some fighters they may have/have not beaten.

The Pavlik I saw was a man with a decent chin, a strong punch, and hands as slow as old people ****ing. He should be thankful his rise to fame was after BHop had left the division; because the Executioner would've had a ****ing field day.

[ferocity]

All you're doing is further proving my point. You said it yourself...he beat one of the top two guys at middleweight.

Did Juan Diaz beat a top two fighter at LW?

Julio Diaz was easily in the top 3 or 2 fighters at lightweight.

[warp1432]

lmao @ calderon being around 11-13.

Why because he's a really low weight and "runs" around. He's a good outboxer who's fast.

Though thinking about it more I forgot people like Mosley and Kessler so yeah, he'd probably be in the lower 15-20, but he's still a pretty good fighter.

[Azteca]

Julio Diaz was easily in the top 3 or 2 fighters at lightweight.

Based on what?

[Azteca]

Refer to my previous post. In my opinion P4P is more about a fighter's ability in the ring than the belts they hold or some fighters they may have/have not beaten.

The Pavlik I saw was a man with a decent chin, a strong punch, and hands as slow as old people ****ing. He should be thankful his rise to fame was after BHop had left the division; because the Executioner would've had a ****ing field day.

I agree with you about ability..but you have to factor in the competition. I can look like Ali fighting against my 13 year old cousin. Does that mean I deserve to be high in the rankings.

And I feel like you are not giving Pavlik very much credit. He is not an all-timer at least not at this point but he would be tough in any era. 6'2'' and the wingspan of an airplane. He's no Tommy Hearns...but the man is rangy and can really punch.

[Dirt E Gomez]

Based on what?

Who all is there? The 3 Diaz, Casamayor.... Campbell? Not crazy to put Julio 3rd behind Casa and Juan.

[Azteca]

Who all is there? The 3 Diaz, Casamayor.... Campbell? Not crazy to put Julio 3rd behind Casa and Juan.

True.

But I mean Winky, Spinks, Abraham, Miranda, Sturm....all at MW. I'll give credit where credit is due. Pavlik beat the top guy. Or at least the second best fighter in the division. At the very least.

[Dirt E Gomez]

I agree with you about ability..but you have to factor in the competition. I can look like Ali fighting against my 13 year old cousin. Does that mean I deserve to be high in the rankings.

And I feel like you are not giving Pavlik very much credit. He is not an all-timer at least not at this point but he would be tough in any era. 6'2'' and the wingspan of an airplane. He's no Tommy Hearns...but the man is rangy and can really punch.

How you look against the better opponents means a lot, for sure. But Diaz has been looking good for several years, this wasn't just some sort of 1 fight deal.

[Azteca]

How you look against the better opponents means a lot, for sure. But Diaz has been looking good for several years, this wasn't just some sort of 1 fight deal.

Only noteable guys I have seen him fight:
Cotto's younger bro (who isn't very good by the way...he's in the same mold as bobby pac)
Frietas (tough fighter...)
Julio Diaz.

He's stepped it up a little past prospect level the past year and a half. Which is what Pavlik has done also. Big deal. Except Pavlik beat the undisputed MW champ.

[Dirt E Gomez]

Only noteable guys I have seen him fight:
Cotto's younger bro (who isn't very good by the way...he's in the same mold as bobby pac)
Frietas (tough fighter...)
Julio Diaz.

He's stepped it up a little past prospect level the past year and a half. Which is what Pavlik has done also. Big deal. Except Pavlik beat the undisputed MW champ.

Comparing Cotto to Bobby Pac is an insult. I'm not gonna' sit here and spew bull **** about him fighting a bunch of great current and ex-champs, but he has built a good resume thus far. Diaz looked more impressive in the ring tonight and in recent events than Pavlik has, bottom line in my book. I wont pretend like Pavlik doesn't have the bigger notch in his belt.