Mayweather's plan at 140

**Wiley Hyena** · 10-11-2007, 08:30 PM

Originally posted by DWiens421

I'm pretty tired of all this Mayweather ducked Tszyu ****.

Mayweather had 2 goals in mind when he went to 140.

1. Become a PPV star.
2. Fight Kostya Tszyu for the unified 140 championship.

His first goal was to become a PPV star, as to be able to bank big on the Tszyu fight. Why not fight the man at 140 on PPV, instead of WCB?

So, he choose the most exciting fighter in the division, who had a huge loyal fan following. He also had the WBC belt, which explains why Mayweather fought against Corley and Bruseles (both were WBC title eliminators):

2005-01-22 139 Henry Bruseles 138¾ 21-2-1
American Airlines Arena, Miami, Florida, United States W TKO 8 12
~ time: 2:55 | referee: Jorge Alonso | judge: Harold Laurens | judge: Gerald Ritter | judge: Peter Trematerra ~
WBC Light Welterweight Title eliminator
Mayweather ahead 70-63, 70-62 and 69-64 going into the 8th, knocked Bruseles down twice and the ringside physician stopped the contest.

2004-05-22 140 DeMarcus Corley 140 28-2-1
Boardwalk Hall, Atlantic City, New Jersey, United States W UD 12 12
~ referee: Benjy Esteves Jr. | judge: Melvina Lathan 119-107 | judge: Gale Van Hoy 118-108 | judge: William Boodhoo 119-108 ~
WBC Light Welterweight Title Eliminator
Corley down in 8th and 10th.

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php...0352&cat=boxer

So anyways, Floyd wants to fight Gatti, and win in an impressive fashion, as to make his PPV debut absolutely stellar and make his prospects for being a PPV star rise in a big way.

At the same time, Kostya Tszyu was scheduled to fight Ricky Hatton, and was expected to win. That obviously didn't happen, so the Mayweather-Tszyu fight prospect was ruined. However, does this mean that Mayweather ducked Tszyu?

What is incredible is that none of the firm believers that Floyd ducked Tszyu can produce any piece of evidence that says that Mayweather pulled out of negotiations, or he asked for a ton of money. I also haven't seen anything that Tszyu says he wanted Mayweather. The closest I can get to that is that Tszyu said that all challengers were welcome.

Which sounds like they wanted the fight more? The guy who called out the other by name after fights at 130, 135 and 140, or the guy who just says that he will fight anyone? I'd say Mayweather was the one who was giving the more convincing case for actually wanting the fight.

Can anyone give any better counterlogic or sourced evidence that I am wrong or just your opinions with little to back them up?

Fact: In 2003, 2004, and 2005, Tszyu held all the belts at 140.

Fact: Tszyu is HOF because he was the first man in 30 years to unify the belts at 140.

Fact: Tszyu was the dominant force in the Jr. WW (140) from the early 90s.

Fact: Floyd moved up to 140 in 2004, fought a couple of bums there, and quickly moved up.

Fact: Floyd then says he wanted Tszyu the whole time.

Fact: Floyd never fought for the 140 championship as long as Tszyu held the belts.

Fact: Regardless of who said what, Floyd could've forced Tszyu to put his belts on the line or be stripped, by way of mandatory challenge, had he stayed at 140.

Fact: Contrary to what some Floyd apologists say around here, there was no "long layoff" regarding Tszyu during Mayweather's time in and around 140. Tszyu fought in 2002, 2003, 2004, and 2005. In fact, he was top ten p4p in all those years.

No more details necessary. No excuses are sufficient. Floyd dodged Tszyu.

Is it any coincidence that Floyd is now coming back down in weight? Now that Tszyu is retired, it's no surprise to me.

**BmoreBrawler** · 10-11-2007, 08:33 PM

Tszyu > Floyd

**RodBarker** · 10-11-2007, 08:37 PM

Well Wiley your still spinning your hate **** that cannot be backed up in anyway ,,, but we have something thats real , Floyd is fighting a better version of Hatton than KT fought and we will see if Floyd wins or quits on his stool .

**Wiley Hyena** · 10-11-2007, 08:42 PM

Originally posted by RodBarker

Well Wiley your still spinning your hate **** that cannot be backed up in anyway ,,, but we have something thats real , Floyd is fighting a better version of Hatton than KT fought and we will see if Floyd wins or quits on his stool .

Well Rod I didn't start this thread I responded to it, so bugger off with the "hate ****". But the rest of your post is well taken, although I don't understand where you're coming from when you say "a better version of Hatton than KT fought".

**MJ406** · 10-11-2007, 08:55 PM

stick it ... 140 isn't that good. especially when Kostya was on top

Fact: "Tszyu is HOF because he was the first man in 30 years to unify the belts at 140."

Fact: "Tszyu was the dominant force in the Jr. WW (140) from the early 90s."

who cares? first guy in 30 years to unify 140 .. so ****ing what .. im probably the first person to be able to flip my eyelids inside out without the use of my hands

Lightweight and Welterweight historically have much more signifigance then 140 (look at the names).. and especially during the 00's .. with Mosley and Forrest

hell even All time .. the best 140 pounders don't compare to Sugar Ray Robinson, Sugar Ray Leonard, Carmen Basilio, Tommy Hearns, Trinidad, Whitaker, Mosley, De La Hoya, Forrest

its no contest ... Welter is the better division with the better talent .. even today.

am I missing something .. because the 140 division was never really full of hall of fame, top level names (see Welter list).. especially when Kostya was on top

wow he beat up on an old Julio Cesar Chavez, Sharmba Mitchell, Oktay Urkal, Zab Judah and Ben Tackie

really the stuff of legends.

**SkillspayBills** · 10-11-2007, 08:55 PM

Originally posted by Wiley Hyena

Fact: In 2003, 2004, and 2005, Tszyu held all the belts at 140.

Fact: Tszyu is HOF because he was the first man in 30 years to unify the belts at 140.

Fact: Tszyu was the dominant force in the Jr. WW (140) from the early 90s.

Fact: Floyd moved up to 140 in 2004, fought a couple of bums there, and quickly moved up.

Fact: Floyd then says he wanted Tszyu the whole time.

Fact: Floyd never fought for the 140 championship as long as Tszyu held the belts.

Fact: Regardless of who said what, Floyd could've forced Tszyu to put his belts on the line or be stripped, by way of mandatory challenge, had he stayed at 140.

Fact: Contrary to what some Floyd apologists say around here, there was no "long layoff" regarding Tszyu during Mayweather's time in and around 140. Tszyu fought in 2002, 2003, 2004, and 2005. In fact, he was top ten p4p in all those years.
No more details necessary. No excuses are sufficient. Floyd dodged Tszyu.

Is it any coincidence that Floyd is now coming back down in weight? Now that Tszyu is retired, it's no surprise to me.

This is the part out of the bull**** you spew that gets to me the most. When have you seen Floyd do something as underhanded as that than to FORCE someone to fight him and all that crap.

Tszyu wasn't champion, Floyd fough two WBC eliminators. Tszyu lost to Hatton the fight could not be amde anymore. Coyote, your name fits you so well.

**Azteca** · 10-11-2007, 10:22 PM

Are you his manager? Why do you feel the need to stick up for Floyd every time talks **** about him. That's what you call a nuthugger.

**Amir K Shareef** · 10-11-2007, 10:23 PM

Listen to Dweins he is a very bright young man.

**RodBarker** · 10-11-2007, 10:29 PM

Originally posted by Wiley Hyena

Well Rod I didn't start this thread I responded to it, so bugger off with the "hate ****". But the rest of your post is well taken, although I don't understand where you're coming from when you say "a better version of Hatton than KT fought".

Are you saying Hatton is better when he fought KT , because his trainer and Hatton himself say he has improved , I say he has improved you only have to look at him , he is a more stronger better conditioned fighter and more mature ,, Ricky Hatton is at his unbeaten best right now and if he can beat Floyd he will rise more but if he looses he will start to slide ,,, like I say if Floyd beats a better Hatton than KT beat you have a bit of a real yardstick in your PBF KT fantasy saga , everything else is what if .

Mayweather's plan at 140