Why won't Pacquiao move to Welterweight?

[MindBat]

Let me ask you this TintaBoriqua:

You think that Pacquiao has perform great feats?

My question is against who?

Not for nothing, I think his fights are exciting and action packed.

With that said, 5 out of his 8 championships are VACANT TITLES. The importance of noting that is because when you compete for a vacant title, you face an opponent, not a champion.

YOU CANNOT BE CONSIDERED A CHAMPION UNLESS YOU BEAT A CHAMPION!

Its a common practice in boxing where a heavily promoted fighter under a big promoter sidesteps a showdown with the division champion in favor of seeking a belt that has been vacated ... which usually involves facing a lesser fighter.

I don't care if a fighter goes on to defend that vacant belt, he's still only defending a vacant title which holds little to no weight. Casual boxing fans COMPLETELY overlook this because they don't understand that to be the man you must beat the man.

TintaBoricua, you've already acknowledged that Roach and Pacquiao have manipulated weight in several matches.

However have you taken into consideration that Pacquiao fought club fighters for his first 40 fights mostly in southeast Asia? You haven't even heard of one of his opponents until he fought Barrera. Did you know that? That's a hell of a lot of padding considering that some top fighters have faced world champions with under 20 fights!

If that isn't enough, was it a great feat when Pacquiao fought the then still-banned Margarito in Texas for a vacant jrMW title that neither man was in contention for? If that wasn't a manufactured bout then I don't know what is. A banned cheater desperate for money. A catchweight king desperately needing a body in the ring to stay on top after Mayweather's domination of Mosley. Arum's willingness to grease palms in Texas for them to allow the cheater to compete DURING his ban.

How about the fact that every big name boxer that Pacquiao fought only secured the fight with Pacquiao ONCE AND ONLY ONCE THEY LOST THE BIGGEST MATCH OF THEIR CAREERS?

And BTW, just because a boxer exceeds certain fan's expectations that only exist because they expected Manny's opponents to be able to come in at WHATEVER WEIGHT THAT THEY FELT COMFORTABLE AT doesn't mean that he's done anything special.

The whole appeal of what Pacquiao was doing upon arriving at 147 was facing bigger, stronger men. What Roach and Arum did was sell that line to the fans, but deliver cleverly marketed catchweight fights that totally negated the whole "David Vs Goliath" aspect that they were selling.

If you claim to be fighting DLH, who Floyd fought at 170+lbs, but don't promote the fact that DLH will be coming in at 145lbs, a weight he hadn't competed at in 7 years, then its called a "bait and switch". Same **** with Cotto.

Maybe you should reconsider the conditions under which Pacquiao performed those "great feats" that you feel that no one is close to. Pacquiao is fun to watch but being willing to trade and engage without caution doesn't make what you've achieved in your career special or great. It means you come to fight.

That's it.

I couldn't have said it better.

The marketing of Pacquiao has been better than the feats he's performed.

People have bought it hook, line, and sinker.

To Pacquiao's credit, he's made it look quite exciting because he's been more of a brawler type who takes shots as well as he gives.

Case in point, the casual, occasional boxing fan has no doubt Pacquiao can beat Mayweather. Yet only about half of Pacquiao's fans believe that to be true.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Reading this thread its not hard to see why many people thinks hes on roids.

[brick wall]

I couldn't have said it better.

The marketing of Pacquiao has been better than the feats he's performed.

People have bought it hook, line, and sinker.

To Pacquiao's credit, he's made it look quite exciting because he's been more of a brawler type who takes shots as well as he gives.

Case in point, the casual, occasional boxing fan has no doubt Pacquiao can beat Mayweather. Yet only about half of Pacquiao's fans believe that to be true.

idiot what the hell are you talking about? there's nothing to believe as true because the fight has not happened yet. the truth will only come out when they face each other in the ring. all you got right now are predictions that you like to brag about...there's no truth in that.

[Twako]

Reading this thread its not hard to see why many people thinks hes on roids.

the thread starter is now singing a different tune

[tatangb45]

Let me ask you this TintaBoriqua:

You think that Pacquiao has perform great feats?

My question is against who?

Not for nothing, I think his fights are exciting and action packed.

With that said, 5 out of his 8 championships are VACANT TITLES. The importance of noting that is because when you compete for a vacant title, you face an opponent, not a champion.

YOU CANNOT BE CONSIDERED A CHAMPION UNLESS YOU BEAT A CHAMPION!

Its a common practice in boxing where a heavily promoted fighter under a big promoter sidesteps a showdown with the division champion in favor of seeking a belt that has been vacated ... which usually involves facing a lesser fighter.

I don't care if a fighter goes on to defend that vacant belt, he's still only defending a vacant title which holds little to no weight. Casual boxing fans COMPLETELY overlook this because they don't understand that to be the man you must beat the man.

TintaBoricua, you've already acknowledged that Roach and Pacquiao have manipulated weight in several matches.

However have you taken into consideration that Pacquiao fought club fighters for his first 40 fights mostly in southeast Asia? You haven't even heard of one of his opponents until he fought Barrera. Did you know that? That's a hell of a lot of padding considering that some top fighters have faced world champions with under 20 fights!

If that isn't enough, was it a great feat when Pacquiao fought the then still-banned Margarito in Texas for a vacant jrMW title that neither man was in contention for? If that wasn't a manufactured bout then I don't know what is. A banned cheater desperate for money. A catchweight king desperately needing a body in the ring to stay on top after Mayweather's domination of Mosley. Arum's willingness to grease palms in Texas for them to allow the cheater to compete DURING his ban.

How about the fact that every big name boxer that Pacquiao fought only secured the fight with Pacquiao ONCE AND ONLY ONCE THEY LOST THE BIGGEST MATCH OF THEIR CAREERS?

And BTW, just because a boxer exceeds certain fan's expectations that only exist because they expected Manny's opponents to be able to come in at WHATEVER WEIGHT THAT THEY FELT COMFORTABLE AT doesn't mean that he's done anything special.

The whole appeal of what Pacquiao was doing upon arriving at 147 was facing bigger, stronger men. What Roach and Arum did was sell that line to the fans, but deliver cleverly marketed catchweight fights that totally negated the whole "David Vs Goliath" aspect that they were selling.

If you claim to be fighting DLH, who Floyd fought at 170+lbs, but don't promote the fact that DLH will be coming in at 145lbs, a weight he hadn't competed at in 7 years, then its called a "bait and switch". Same **** with Cotto.

Maybe you should reconsider the conditions under which Pacquiao performed those "great feats" that you feel that no one is close to. Pacquiao is fun to watch but being willing to trade and engage without caution doesn't make what you've achieved in your career special or great. It means you come to fight.

That's it.

You should not even be allowed to be on this forum. You post nothing but LIES and GARBAGE.

5 vacant world titles out of eight?

Here's 2 of them: Ring Super featherweight vs JMM in 3/15/08 and WBC SWW vs Margo in 11/13/10.
Now show the other three.

[pasawayako]

Nice bump.

[KING MEAT]

lol this thread justifies how great pac is.

[Rassclot]

Greatest of all time.

[TintaBoricua]

I don't know if your hating on Manny, but the catchweights are just there because of circumstances.. Just like Floyd when he fought Marquez at 144lbs, I fully understand why because Juan was going up while Floyd was coming down for them to meet up in the middle. What i don't like is when Floyd came in 2lbs more than the contracted weight...

I’m not hating on Manny. I like him and consider him the best fighter out there next to Mayweather. He’s exciting, he’s dynamic, he fights nearly everybody. I’m just making a few observartions. But as I said, at the end of the day, I’m nitpicking because the fact is…

No current fighter out there today could move up from 130 and in a matter of two years be fighting guys at 150, with a 20 pound disadvantage (Pacquiao/Margarito) and practically score a shut-out. That’s ridiculous. He’s the cream of the crop.

You look like trying to hide some facts here to suit in your hidden agenda.

Pac against Oscar, you purposely didn't mention Pac with just one fight at 135 to boot, moved another 2 divisions above to fight Oscar. Funny but you seem like the idea that Pacquiao should fought Oscar at 154 or 160.

I give him credit for that win. Nobody expected that huge upset. In HINDSIGHT, it seems obvious. He moved up two weight classes in a fight he was perceived to have no chance and utterly thrashed De la Hoya. No problem there. De la Hoya effed up big time trying to pick on Pacquiao.

Pac against Hatton, you also purposely didn't mention this fight and Pac was actually moved down after the Oscar fight at 147 to fight Hatton at 140.

I DID NOT in any way, shape, or form berate Pacquiao’s win over Hatton. He fought him at 140 (Hatton’s weight) and humiliated him and knocked him out cold. This right here is a better win than Mayweather’s over Hatton.

Pac against Cotto, you also purposely didn't mention that Pac was actually moved up 5 lbs while Cotto only has to move down 1 lb compared to his last fight.

Cotto weighed in at 146 in his last fight, I’ll give you that but that was out of choice not because the Cotto/Clottey fight was at 146. Big difference. As I stated in my last post, this probably wouldn’t have made much of a difference, but it irks me to see that Pacquiao faced Diaz, De la Hoya, Hatton, Clottey, and Mosley at LEGITIMATE weights while he forced Cotto and Margarito to come in at catchweights.

Pac against Margarito, you purposely didn't mention once again that Margarito fought all his life at 147 and Pac fighting him at 150 will only help Margarito but not Pacquiao. That fact that you also failed to mention the 17 lbs advantage he had over Pacquiao.

154 would’ve been better for Margarito since he fought his last fight at jr. middleweight. And about the 17 pound weight advantage, that’s impressive. But we’re not discussing fight night weights, we’re discussing weigh-ins. I give Pacquiao credit for beating Margarito with that disadvantage Pacquiao had, though.

Pac against Marquez, you also failed to mention Pac already fought Marquez twice at his best division. Then you also ignored the fact that Pac last 3 fights were at 147-150 and should only fight at his best division but moving down to 144 to fight Marquez is good unlike Floyd who cheated Marquez at weigh-in and didn't give Hatton a leveling field but only to fight him in his own weight division!

I’m giving Marquez a good chance at beating Pacquiao, my only complaint is why couldn’t they have fought at 140? Marquez’s best weight is 135, Pacquiao’s is 147 at this moment, they should’ve met in the middle at 140 (or 141-142). Why are you bringing the Mayweather deal up? When did I support Mayweather in my last post? Never have I defended him for punking out at the weigh-in coming in at 146. That was shameful.

No hidden agendas on my part, just stating observations. Once again I reiterate, Pacquiao’s better than anybody out there, not knocking the guy, but just a few pet peeves I have about him.

[pasawayako]

its crazy how times went from

"pac is fighting small, old featherweights. if he moves up to ww he would get his ass kicked by margarito, mosley, cotto"

"he would be a midget to the ww's, no way pacquiao ever moves up"

to

"pac is cherry picking opponents. martigarito is garbage, cotto is coming off a beating, mosley is only there for the paycheck"

"pac is on something, how can he gain so much weight in 10 months. thats 12 lbs of lean muscle, he's on something"

im just gonna sit back and enjoy the show. this is comedy

These haters doesn't know that they're contradicting themselves because of too much hating to pac.