Why won't Pacquiao move to Welterweight?

[LeG00N]

Pacquiao needs to stop ducking Marquez, give him the rematch then move up to welterweight with the big boys

I bet he can't dominate them

[TintaBoricua]

LOL ... why move up when its so much easier to make your opponents dehydrate for their biggest payday? Pacquiao is finally moving up to 147lbs.

Against who???

LOL ... Juan Manuel Marquez. Its the first time that Pacquiao can make his opponent move up for his advantage instead of dehydrating an opponent for his advantage.

**** doesn't change. Look at the first post in this thread. A weight manipulator is going to stay a weight manipulator.

Seriously, how many sound bites do we have of Pacquiao and Roach referring to the word "advantage"? I'm sure some forum members can make a Youtube clip of Pacquiao and Roach constantly discussing "weight advantages" at different points in time.

Its smoke and mirrors at its finest.

While I agree with you that there are SOME things that Pacquiao's done in weight manipulation, I can honestly only think of a few that were/might've been affected by the weight issue.

Oscar de la Hoya- To be honest, a lot of us thought this would be a one-sided affair in Oscar's favor. In hindsight, we pulled out the "Oh, well...Oscar hadn't made that weight in years." And yes, he hadn't. So, I guess Freddie was more sly than we thought.

Cotto- To this day, I don't understand why Cotto was the only welterweight fighter that had to weigh in at 145 (two pounds under the welterweight limit). I'm not saying the fight would've been drastically different, but it just irks me. Why did he then allow Clottey and Mosley to come in at 147? That little thing just annoys me a bit...

Margarito- fighting for a 154 title at a 150 lbs. catchweight?! What the hell? 150 is closer to 147 than 154 for cripes' sake. But whatever...

And now, Márquez at 144...

The only fighters Pacquiao's beaten at their real weight class (since Oscar) have been Hatton, Clottey, and Mosley.

Not hating on Pacquiao, no fighter out there can do the things he's been able to do (with/without catchweight), but the way they toy with weights bothers me a little bit.

At the end of the day (and I've said this before), I'm just grasping at straws. Because the fact is, nobody is nowhere near Pacquiao's feats and he has certainly exceeded expectations and gone to where people never expected him to.

[lebrick]

I still think a fit and on weight prime Guzman would have beaten Manny

on weight and guzman sounds awkward nowadays..

[Everywhere]

Manny "Pacmen" Pacquiao: Beating the best Welterweights of 2007....in 2009, 2010, and 2011.

[The Surgeon]

on weight and guzman sounds awkward nowadays..

Lol i know right!

Seriously i hate Guzman, he WASTED his career and prime! No desire or class

I think he is the single biggest waste of talent of my life time, he could have been a dominant multi weight champion and like i said, i know its not a popular view but i think he'd have done Pac

[straightleft]

While I agree with you that there are SOME things that Pacquiao's done in weight manipulation, I can honestly only think of a few that were/might've been affected by the weight issue.

Oscar de la Hoya- To be honest, a lot of us thought this would be a one-sided affair in Oscar's favor. In hindsight, we pulled out the "Oh, well...Oscar hadn't made that weight in years." And yes, he hadn't. So, I guess Freddie was more sly than we thought.

Cotto- To this day, I don't understand why Cotto was the only welterweight fighter that had to weigh in at 145 (two pounds under the welterweight limit). I'm not saying the fight would've been drastically different, but it just irks me. Why did he then allow Clottey and Mosley to come in at 147? That little thing just annoys me a bit...

Margarito- fighting for a 154 title at a 150 lbs. catchweight?! What the hell? 150 is closer to 147 than 154 for cripes' sake. But whatever...

And now, Márquez at 144...

The only fighters Pacquiao's beaten at their real weight class (since Oscar) have been Hatton, Clottey, and Mosley.

Not hating on Pacquiao, no fighter out there can do the things he's been able to do (with/without catchweight), but the way they toy with weights bothers me a little bit.

You look like trying to hide some facts here to suit in your hidden agenda.

Pac against Oscar, you purposely didn't mention Pac with just one fight at 135 to boot, moved another 2 divisions above to fight Oscar. Funny but you seem like the idea that Pacquiao should fought Oscar at 154 or 160.

Pac against Hatton, you also purposely didn't mention this fight and Pac was actually moved down after the Oscar fight at 147 to fight Hatton at 140.

Pac against Cotto, you also purposely didn't mention that Pac was actually moved up 5 lbs while Cotto only has to move down 1 lb compared to his last fight.

Pac against Margarito, you purposely didn't mention once again that Margarito fought all his life at 147 and Pac fighting him at 150 will only help Margarito but not Pacquiao. That fact that you also failed to mention the 17 lbs advantage he had over Pacquiao.

Pac against Marquez, you also failed to mention Pac already fought Marquez twice at his best division. Then you also ignored the fact that Pac last 3 fights were at 147-150 and should only fight at his best division but moving down to 144 to fight Marquez is good unlike Floyd who cheated Marquez at weigh-in and didn't give Hatton a leveling field but only to fight him in his own weight division!

[DAN916]

Pacquiao needs to stop ducking Marquez, give him the rematch then move up to welterweight with the big boys

I bet he can't dominate them

Youre joking right?? lol

[LeG00N]

Youre joking right?? lol

No..........

[ALG United]

While I agree with you that there are SOME things that Pacquiao's done in weight manipulation, I can honestly only think of a few that were/might've been affected by the weight issue.

Oscar de la Hoya- To be honest, a lot of us thought this would be a one-sided affair in Oscar's favor. In hindsight, we pulled out the "Oh, well...Oscar hadn't made that weight in years." And yes, he hadn't. So, I guess Freddie was more sly than we thought.

Oscar was supposed to challenged Hatton at WW then, but Ricky ducked Oscar that's why Manny was just a last minute replacement. That comment from Freddie was just Freddie murmuring things, but the reality back then was that nobody was giving Manny a chance against the bigger Oscar, even the experts were saying that Oscar will be coming in a big MW against a blown up career featherweight fighter. But Oscar made a big error in training, cutting his big body mass in exchange for more speed, it backfired!!!

Cotto- To this day, I don't understand why Cotto was the only welterweight fighter that had to weigh in at 145 (two pounds under the welterweight limit). I'm not saying the fight would've been drastically different, but it just irks me. Why did he then allow Clottey and Mosley to come in at 147? That little thing just annoys me a bit...

The Cotto fight was Manny's first real WW fight against a true WW, remember that only a year ago Manny was sitll fighting as a featherweight, and his previous fight against Hatton, Manny weigh in only at 138lbs. He was still settling in to that weight, that's why his next fight with the bigger WW in Clottey, the contract is at 147lbs already...

Margarito- fighting for a 154 title at a 150 lbs. catchweight?! What the hell? 150 is closer to 147 than 154 for cripes' sake. But whatever...

Margarito maybe considered a big WW fighter during his time but still he fought most of his fighting career in welter. So Manny fighting him then at 150lbs is actually playing into Tony's advantage..

And now, Márquez at 144...

Marquez should be fine if he trains for this fight as a lightweight or small welter, Marquez should have learned from the Floyd fight not to match a WW fighter beef for beef..

The only fighters Pacquiao's beaten at their real weight class (since Oscar) have been Hatton, Clottey, and Mosley.

Not hating on Pacquiao, no fighter out there can do the things he's been able to do (with/without catchweight), but the way they toy with weights bothers me a little bit.

I don't know if your hating on Manny, but the catchweights are just there because of circumstances.. Just like Floyd when he fought Marquez at 144lbs, I fully understand why because Juan was going up while Floyd was coming down for them to meet up in the middle. What i don't like is when Floyd came in 2lbs more than the contracted weight...

[dosepulgada]

Good Read....