Why won't Pacquiao move to Welterweight?

[Bee Keepz]

Because everybody at Welterweight would slaughter his small ass, AND he wouldnt hit nearly as hard up there

Greatness. Now, it's cherry picking.

[Brother Jay]

simple fact:

only one of pac's titles was a vacant title , thats a fact contrary to your claim.

If you say so. The facts reflect differently. The post hushes your nonsense. So until you can refute what is written, you're just an extra from the cast of GLEE chanting that peasant's name.

Show me the proof or admit that you worship a boxer instead appreciating the sport.

[Tulisanto]

If you say so. The facts reflect differently. The post hushes your nonsense. So until you can refute what is written, you're just an extra from the cast of GLEE chanting that peasant's name.

Show me the proof or admit that you worship a boxer instead appreciating the sport.

what i said is a fact. what you said is BS. show you proof? who the **** are you that i need approval from when you cant even get your facts straight?

[| THE KING |]

[jjbj2]

Pacquiao vs Jamili - vacant super bantamweight

You have no knowledge of his lower weight career. Pacquiao won his title in the Super Bantamweight that is counted in his 8 division titles against IBF Super Bantamweight champion Lehlohonolo Ledwaba. Lehlohonolo Ledwaba was one of the longest reigning Super Bantamweight champions. He was like Ivan Calderon who could punch.

Pacquiao vs Velazquez - vacant WBC International super featherweight title

Again this is another worthless point. Pacquiao won the LINEAL TITLE in the Super Featherweight beating Juan Manuel Marquez. The RING MAGAZINE's LINEAL TITLE was bestowed because Pacquiao and Marquez back then were considered to be the best of the best boxers in that division. Also, Pacquiao won the real WBC Super Featherweight title from Marqueaz.

Pacquiao vs Diaz - Diaz was the interim LW champion. He was not the champion at 135 to beat. David Diaz wasn't even ranked in the top 5 in 2008. Marquez, Campbell, Pacquiao, Juan Diaz & Casamayor were ranked above David Diaz. Pacquiao took the easy way out once David Diaz won that interim title.


This is the fault of the WBC. David Diaz won the interim belt but it was elevated to full champion status when Joel Casamayor chose not to defend his belt against what WBC wanted. Also, David Diaz defended his newly elevated belt against Erik Morales. So, by the time Pacquiao got to him, Diaz already was an experienced champion who fought 3 times.

Pacquiao vs Cotto - Arum set it up so that after Miguel Cotto got destroyed by Margarito, he could compete for the vacant WBO WW title and lose it to Pacquiao. Cotto wasn't even in line for that belt. Arum arranged for Cotto to win that vacant belt so to legitimize Pacquiao's claim at WW with a vacant title. Real fans remember that ****.


This is ******. Miguel Cotto was a legitimate WBO title holder. Granted he fought for a vacant title but his opposition was the then undefeated British boxer named Michael Jennings. He fought a more legitimate opponent than Saul "Canelo" Alvarez did for the "vacant" Junior Middleweight title against a careerist Welterweight named Matthew Hatton.

Miguel Cotto even defended his belt against a former IBF Welterweight champion Joshua Clottey. Also, this is ****** Miguel Cotto was a former WBA Welterweight champion for a long time who beat Zab Judah, Alfonso Gomez, Carlos Quintana and Sugar Shane Mosley before losing it to Antonio Margarito.

So, I don't get your point saying Miguel Cotto is a paper Welterweight champion when the guy spent 3 and a half years in the division staying dominant.

Pacquiao vs Margarito - vacant WBC light MW title.
This is a given. Every diehard Pacfans know that this title match was a joke.

Pacquiao's entire career is full of smoke and mirrors. He could have faced the recognized champion in each division. Its no coincidence that he did not. Just because you have a man-crush on Pacquiao doesn't mean that he doesn't have a pattern of avoiding the recognized champion in each of those 5 divisions.


If Pacquiao's career is full of smokes and mirrors then I don't know what Floyd Mayweather's career is full of.

You are ignorant. I am done with you. At least, some *****s try to know their enemies fully well. Not you.

[JDezi4]

Hilarious thread

[Horvo]

Pacquiao vs Jamili - vacant super bantamweight

Pacquiao vs Velazquez - vacant WBC International super featherweight title

Pacquiao vs Diaz - Diaz was the interim LW champion. He was not the champion at 135 to beat. David Diaz wasn't even ranked in the top 5 in 2008. Marquez, Campbell, Pacquiao, Juan Diaz & Casamayor were ranked above David Diaz. Pacquiao took the easy way out once David Diaz won that interim title.

Pacquiao vs Cotto - Arum set it up so that after Miguel Cotto got destroyed by Margarito, he could compete for the vacant WBO WW title and lose it to Pacquiao. Cotto wasn't even in line for that belt. Arum arranged for Cotto to win that vacant belt so to legitimize Pacquiao's claim at WW with a vacant title. Real fans remember that ****.

Pacquiao vs Margarito - vacant WBC light MW title.

Pacquiao's entire career is full of smoke and mirrors. He could have faced the recognized champion in each division. Its no coincidence that he did not. Just because you have a man-crush on Pacquiao doesn't mean that he doesn't have a pattern of avoiding the recognized champion in each of those 5 divisions.

Diaz and Cotto were not vacant title matches, but their titles were DEFINITELY VACANT AND INTERIM TITLES! As explained to your simple asss before ... YOU CANNOT BE THEE MAN UNLESS YOU BEAT THEE MAN! On five different occasions in five different divisions Pacquiao and his promoter made SURE that he did not face THEE MAN in favor of cherry-picking boxers who WERE NOT legitimate champions.

Its a common Top Rank practice. Look at Cotto, every belt Cotto competed for before defeating Yuri Foreman was a vacant title. Did you know that? I doubt it. Go look!

Margarito only won the vacant WBA WW title from Cotto because Cotto competed for the vacant WBA WW title against Carlos Quintana! Look at what Cotto did at 140!

The records tell the story. The stats show who fought real legitimate champions and who manufactured their resume to look good enough to warrant top billing.

Many of today's fighters are seeking vacant title fights because that way they don't have to face the best and most dangerous in the division they are in! All one has to do is look at the records.

Go look at how many vacant titles Margarito fought for. Its fcuking shameful.

Margarito vs Antonio Diaz
Margarito vs Golden Johnson
Margarito vs Roberto Garcia
Margarito vs Manny Pacquiao

Like I said before, its a very common practice of weak fighters to move ahead through clever smoke and mirror marketing and paper titles. Vacant titles is just one part of it. Fighting banned cheater DURING the ban is another. Fighting ONLY guys who have lost within 1-2 fights is another. Using catchweights in a division where you can make the division limit is another disgraceful tactic. Facing three of your stablemates in a row is yet another disgraceful tactic.

The list goes on and on and on. Some of you more desperate peasants will attempt to make the argument that because Pacquiao is only 2" shorter than both Mayweather and Mosley, he should be given special credit despite not winning under legitimate conditions because he is "so small".

Give me a fcuking break.

None of the best have asked for special considerations. A catchweight is supposed to be used in cases where a man goes up so far above his current division that he needs one(a catchweight) just to stand a chance. Pacquiao could have ALWAYS made the 147lb weight limit. It was just that Roach and Arum knew that the real advantage lied in making the opponent suffer to make a lower weight than they had been training for. Cutting weight, especially those last 2 or 3 pounds, is always the hardest. Ask ANY athlete that has ever had to cut weight.

Its simply another disgraceful tactic used by Arum, Roach and Pacquiao to get an advantage. LOL@them accusing Margarito of using ephedra! They wanted him slow as hell so that Pacquiao could outclass him. When was the last time boxing fans have seen Margarito weigh in looking so ripped and gaunt? I can't remember the last time I saw him look like that. *******ed peasants have no idea how crucial the rehydration period is and what drastic effects it can have on a fighters performance.

You will always be beneath me, Puta-tang ... and definitely 10 steps behind.

Learn to love it.

What about the four lineal belts?

[dosepulgada]

At the end of the day, Pacquiao's legacy will outshine Floyd's. And he will definitely be one of the best. There is only one Fighter of the Decade awardee in the time of Mayweather, and that is PACQUIAO. Can you imagine that? That's a big smack in Floyd's face!

[tatangb45]

Pacquiao vs Jamili - vacant super bantamweight

Pacquiao vs Velazquez - vacant WBC International super featherweight title

Pacquiao vs Diaz - Diaz was the interim LW champion. He was not the champion at 135 to beat. David Diaz wasn't even ranked in the top 5 in 2008. Marquez, Campbell, Pacquiao, Juan Diaz & Casamayor were ranked above David Diaz. Pacquiao took the easy way out once David Diaz won that interim title.

Pacquiao vs Cotto - Arum set it up so that after Miguel Cotto got destroyed by Margarito, he could compete for the vacant WBO WW title and lose it to Pacquiao. Cotto wasn't even in line for that belt. Arum arranged for Cotto to win that vacant belt so to legitimize Pacquiao's claim at WW with a vacant title. Real fans remember that ****.

Pacquiao vs Margarito - vacant WBC light MW title.

Pacquiao's entire career is full of smoke and mirrors. He could have faced the recognized champion in each division. Its no coincidence that he did not. Just because you have a man-crush on Pacquiao doesn't mean that he doesn't have a pattern of avoiding the recognized champion in each of those 5 divisions.

Diaz and Cotto were not vacant title matches, but their titles were DEFINITELY VACANT AND INTERIM TITLES! As explained to your simple asss before ... YOU CANNOT BE THEE MAN UNLESS YOU BEAT THEE MAN! On five different occasions in five different divisions Pacquiao and his promoter made SURE that he did not face THEE MAN in favor of cherry-picking boxers who WERE NOT legitimate champions.

Its a common Top Rank practice. Look at Cotto, every belt Cotto competed for before defeating Yuri Foreman was a vacant title. Did you know that? I doubt it. Go look!

Margarito only won the vacant WBA WW title from Cotto because Cotto competed for the vacant WBA WW title against Carlos Quintana! Look at what Cotto did at 140!

The records tell the story. The stats show who fought real legitimate champions and who manufactured their resume to look good enough to warrant top billing.

Many of today's fighters are seeking vacant title fights because that way they don't have to face the best and most dangerous in the division they are in! All one has to do is look at the records.

Go look at how many vacant titles Margarito fought for. Its fcuking shameful.

Margarito vs Antonio Diaz
Margarito vs Golden Johnson
Margarito vs Roberto Garcia
Margarito vs Manny Pacquiao

Like I said before, its a very common practice of weak fighters to move ahead through clever smoke and mirror marketing and paper titles. Vacant titles is just one part of it. Fighting banned cheater DURING the ban is another. Fighting ONLY guys who have lost within 1-2 fights is another. Using catchweights in a division where you can make the division limit is another disgraceful tactic. Facing three of your stablemates in a row is yet another disgraceful tactic.

The list goes on and on and on. Some of you more desperate peasants will attempt to make the argument that because Pacquiao is only 2" shorter than both Mayweather and Mosley, he should be given special credit despite not winning under legitimate conditions because he is "so small".

Give me a fcuking break.

None of the best have asked for special considerations. A catchweight is supposed to be used in cases where a man goes up so far above his current division that he needs one(a catchweight) just to stand a chance. Pacquiao could have ALWAYS made the 147lb weight limit. It was just that Roach and Arum knew that the real advantage lied in making the opponent suffer to make a lower weight than they had been training for. Cutting weight, especially those last 2 or 3 pounds, is always the hardest. Ask ANY athlete that has ever had to cut weight.

Its simply another disgraceful tactic used by Arum, Roach and Pacquiao to get an advantage. LOL@them accusing Margarito of using ephedra! They wanted him slow as hell so that Pacquiao could outclass him. When was the last time boxing fans have seen Margarito weigh in looking so ripped and gaunt? I can't remember the last time I saw him look like that. *******ed peasants have no idea how crucial the rehydration period is and what drastic effects it can have on a fighters performance.

You will always be beneath me, Puta-tang ... and definitely 10 steps behind.

Learn to love it.

Moron, you clearly stated 5 vacant titles out of 8.

Here's the list:
1) 12/4/98 - C. Sasakul ko8 - lineal & WBC flyweight
2) 12/18/99 - R. Jamili ko2 - WBC International Super Bantamweight
3) 6/23/01 - L. Ledwaba ko6 - IBF Super Bantamweight
4) 11/15/03 - M. A. Barrera tko11 - Ring Featherweight
5) 9/10/05 - H. Velazquez tko6 - vacant WBC International Super Feahterweight
6) 3/15/08 - J. M. Marquez sd - WBC Super Featherweight
7) 6/28/08 - D. Diaz tko9 - WBC Lightweight
8) 5/2/09 - R. Hatton ko2 - IBO LWW
9) 11/14/09 - M. Cotto tko12 - WBO & WBC WW
10) 11/13/10 - A. Margarito ud - vacant WBC SWW

Jamili, Diaz & Cotto titles were not vacant.
With Marquez, the WBC SF was not vacant.

Only 2 out of 10 were actually vacant.

YOU LIED!!

[Brother Jay]

At the end of the day, Pacquiao's legacy will outshine Floyd's. And he will definitely be one of the best. There is only one Fighter of the Decade awardee in the time of Mayweather, and that is PACQUIAO. Can you imagine that? That's a big smack in Floyd's face!

All the bestowed accolades that Pacquiao was given will only matter as long as he doesn't get in the ring with Floyd.

Arum, Roach and Manny know that nothing they've done will matter if:

1 - they take the USADA tests and come up dirty

or 2 - Floyd beats Manny's asss.

Marquez already did it twice and Marquez is not the boxer than Floyd is. He's admitted as much. Pacquiao has come up with everything from USADA being dirty to fighting Floyd being against his principles to being afraid of needles despite having tattoos to him not being in charge of who he fights next.

He can run, but Pacquiao cannot hide. And all of his writer awards won't save his asss if he finds the courage to get into the ring.

Peasant arguments isn't that Pacquiao has done more or fought better opponents. No, instead their entire argument is that Pacquiao has been given more awards and plaques.

See what will count more among historians if Pacquiao keeps ducking the fight with Floyd.