If Floyd Finishes Hatton and does it impressively......

[Fox McCloud]

Why don't the prospects fight each other like they used to?
I can handle Floyd and co fighting the Old guard.
What I can't handle is Floyd and his followers spouting **** that he is P4P king and that he is the greatest blah blah blah.
He isn't fit to wipe the Boots of Sugar Ray Robinson.
He has plenty of prospective challengers out there who are younger and hungrier than the likes of Oscar who are out for the payday.
I am a fan of Ricky Hatton I must admit but I can openly criticise his fights.
He was lucky to pull through against Collazo.
He gassed out against Urango.

The thing with Floyd is NOBODY icluding himself or his fans will accept he isn't what the hype machine makes him out to be.
He won the WBC belts but he hasn't faced the best opposition.
And how often has he defended his trinkets against any other prospects?
A true Champ takes on all-comers!

I think his run at 130 and 135 were enough to get him into the top 2 P4P along with Hopkins. Then Hopkins lost. Just because Floyd hasn't been fighting the who's who of 147 yet, that doesn't mean that Pacquiao should jump him. Pacquiao has been fighting old dudes too. Pretty much everyone on that list is old or has been fighting old people. Everyone else is unproven. It is a tough job to figure out who is good (resume wise) in this sport.

And for the record... anyone who says that Mayweather's resume is better than Robinson's might want to think about watching billiards or something, because they clearly just don't get the sport of boxing.

Ability wise is another story. It is hard to say that one is better than the other, considering the time distance between the two, and the fact that there isn't a ton of video footage of SRR. I think it is fair debate who is better, the only problem is finding people who are qualified to speak about both.

By the way: All of Floyd's defenses past 130 have been against prospects (except for rematches and other fights where he won a new belt). There were only 2, Sosa and N'dou, who were both prospects. Every other class, he moved out of the division as soon as he won the belt.

[cortdawg25]

Why don't the prospects fight each other like they used to?
I can handle Floyd and co fighting the Old guard.
What I can't handle is Floyd and his followers spouting **** that he is P4P king and that he is the greatest blah blah blah.
He isn't fit to wipe the Boots of Sugar Ray Robinson.
He has plenty of prospective challengers out there who are younger and hungrier than the likes of Oscar who are out for the payday.
I am a fan of Ricky Hatton I must admit but I can openly criticise his fights.
He was lucky to pull through against Collazo.
He gassed out against Urango.

The thing with Floyd is NOBODY icluding himself or his fans will accept he isn't what the hype machine makes him out to be.
He won the WBC belts but he hasn't faced the best opposition.
And how often has he defended his trinkets against any other prospects?
A true Champ takes on all-comers!

again please name the best opposition? who are these people?

[El Dominicano]

The difference is that all the other elite fighters have beeen there and done that. Theyve been on the scene for a long time. As good as the things Pavlik has done, he's relativley new on the big scence so most feel like your going really overboard when you try to make him out to be the greatest thing since slice bread or try to say that he's tougher then every other boxer and will beat all these other guys. He looked great but he hasnt done enough for you to be going crazy like you have

DLT how can u not go crazy about what he has done? He Out-Jabed JT something no one expected him to do. JT has a great chin and was K.O'd by Kelly Pavlik. I agree with the thread starter what is it with the Pavlik hate?!! As soon as Pavlik beat JT many here were like *He can't beat Abraham, B-Hop, Winky, Kessler* How about this STFU!! and give the man credit!!

[moofo]

Tell that to Bernard Hopkins and youth doesn't equate to prime

Don't get me started on Hopkins.
20 defences against who?
3 of those against Robert Allen & 3 Blown up Welters.
He lost to both TRUE World class champs in Taylor & Roy Jones.
Tarver aint all that and as for his fight with Winky it was the most boring fight ever.
Hopkins had plenty of other options throughout his career to define himself with the Supermiddleweights & Light Heavyweights.
He chose to boil down and stay where there was less competition.

[Fox McCloud]

Don't get me started on Hopkins.
20 defences against who?
3 of those against Robert Allen & 3 Blown up Welters.
He lost to both TRUE World class champs in Taylor & Roy Jones.
Tarver aint all that and as for his fight with Winky it was the most boring fight ever.
Hopkins had plenty of other options throughout his career to define himself with the Supermiddleweights & Light Heavyweights.
He chose to boil down and stay where there was less competition.

It honestly sounds to me like you have very high standards as to who is good in the sport. Honestly, who makes your list of being great right now?

Floyd apparantly sucks because he fights ****ty opponents. Same with Hopkins. So fighters who beat Hopkins aren't that good, because it was only Hopkins who was overrated to begin with. Taylor? Who has he beat? Wright (age 37), Hopkins (age 114).

Seriously man... no one can achieve perfection. You need to lower your standards of the sport and how to achieve greatness in it.

[Ray Ray]

Don't get me started on Hopkins.
20 defences against who?
3 of those against Robert Allen & 3 Blown up Welters.
He lost to both TRUE World class champs in Taylor & Roy Jones.
Tarver aint all that and as for his fight with Winky it was the most boring fight ever.
Hopkins had plenty of other options throughout his career to define himself with the Supermiddleweights & Light Heavyweights.
He chose to boil down and stay where there was less competition.

So what is your take on Joe Calzaghe??

[moofo]

He just might be, Hatton won't fight him to find out.

There is a reason why as well.
Apart from his last 2 victories Junior had done nothing to merit a title shot.
He was lucky to get the decision against Kotelnik and his performance against Colin lynes who isn't even Euro level was appalling.
It was a boring fight against Corley as well.
His defining moment so far was his last fight against Harris who got sparked by mongoloid Maussa.
Witter needs to go stateside and build his rep before getting a shot.
Don't get me wrong here I hope he does because it would be great for british boxing to have 2 Brits fighting for the title.

[moofo]

So what is your take on Joe Calzaghe??

He has been a major dissapointment.
Unfortunately he hasn't been in with Hopkins or RJJ when the fights would have been credible.
I think the fault lies mainly at the door of his Promoter Frank Warren who has made a nice living off his back by feeding the British fans a long line of second rate ****.
His destruction of Lacy was impressive but the shadow is always going to be there for him.
Could he have beaten Roy & Hopkins in their prime?
We will never know.
Peter Manfredo match was a joke as well , god knows how they managed to sell that.

[Ray Ray]

He has been a major dissapointment.
Unfortunately he hasn't been in with Hopkins or RJJ when the fights would have been credible.
I think the fault lies mainly at the door of his Promoter Frank Warren who has made a nice living off his back by feeding the British fans a long line of second rate ****.
His destruction of Lacy was impressive but the shadow is always going to be there for him.
Could he have beaten Roy & Hopkins in their prime?
We will never know.
Peter Manfredo match was a joke as well , god knows how they managed to sell that.

The reason I ask the question because some of Calzaghe's fan are very bias.( not calling you a fan or calling you bias) I try point out that Hopinks and Calzaghe are in a similar boat as far as defences. I tend to lean more toward Hopkins because he does have more notiable wins than Calzaghe.

[moofo]

It honestly sounds to me like you have very high standards as to who is good in the sport. Honestly, who makes your list of being great right now?

Floyd apparantly sucks because he fights ****ty opponents. Same with Hopkins. So fighters who beat Hopkins aren't that good, because it was only Hopkins who was overrated to begin with. Taylor? Who has he beat? Wright (age 37), Hopkins (age 114).

Seriously man... no one can achieve perfection. You need to lower your standards of the sport and how to achieve greatness in it.

As a paying FAN I want to see the best fight the best.
We have finally got some decent match ups coming and been (Pavlik Taylor , Hatton Mayweather etc)
This should be happening as the norm.
Every other sport you regularly see the best vs the best.
Boxing it seems hasn't been playing that game.
Mayweather has plenty of options at 140-154.
Cotto , Margerito , Cintron ,Collazo ,Mosley ,ect etc etc....
Its no good telling us he can beat them all he needs to show us he can beat them all.
Is that really too much to ask?
Where would Boxing be if Ali had said "Ah **** it I could beat Goerge Foreman, Joe Frazier etc "without actually gifting us Fans of Boxing by doing it?
Same with Lennox Lewis he fought everyone in his division before hanging them up.
Why isn't that happening anymore?