If Floyd Finishes Hatton and does it impressively......

[Fox McCloud]

You're correct about Damgaard, Branco, and Veit, and there are more of that Calibre of fighter who you could put in that 'bracket' but you cannot doubt the calibre of many of Hatton's opponents which brings me back to my original opinion... You don't go 43-0 unless you are a very good fighter... I perhaps should have named a few of Hatton's opponents to back up that opinion, but do i have to?

Yes. You do.

I'll start going until I can't think of anyone who is really good.

Tszyu
Castillo
Maussa

Damnit... I'm done already.

[moofo]

One last time who has he fought who was any good???
Forget the nonsense of Belts and paper titles.
Forgetg CaSTILLO as well I am talking 140 and up.
Which top fighters has he beaten in their prime at 140 , 147 and 154 ?

[moofo]

and you are being generous for giving him Castillo, your being generous giving him Zoo to be honest

Kostya whooped Sharmba 3 rounds quicker than Floyd a year before Floyd.
Hatton beat Kostya 7 months after Kostya beat Sharmba.
Are you trying to say Kostya was over the hill?

[Fox McCloud]

One last time who has he fought who was any good???
Forget the nonsense of Belts and paper titles.
Forgetg CaSTILLO as well I am talking 140 and up.
Which top fighters has he beaten in their prime at 140 , 147 and 154 ?

De La Hoya.
Judah.
Baldomir (because everyone thought he was the real deal after beating Judah and Gatti, he turned out to suck, but how is Floyd supposed to know that?)

The problem is, people say they were washed up.

N'dou.
Sosa.

The problem is, they were just prospects... so they weren't proven.

Tell me who is proven in the sport? Seriously? Miguel Cotto? He doesn't have any big wins, so he is not proven enough.

Shane Mosley? Well he is old, and over-the-hill like Oscar.

Williams & Margarito? No signature wins... still quite unproven.

This is my counter criticism to your logic. Can you name to me who in the sport that is proven, but not over-the-hill? I doubt it. People say Pacquiao and Marquez are over the hill. People say Cotto and even Calzaghe for ****'s sake are unproven.

[cortdawg25]

Forget Hatton for a moment.
Who has Floyd fought who hasn't been over the hill or **** since 2002.
Pretty much since moving up the weights.

De La Hoya : Over the hill and far away..
Baldomir :Got lucky that he meet the lazy Judah to win the title.
Zab Judah :Probably the best of his recent Opposition
Sharmba Mitchell :destroyed 3 rounds quicker by Kostya the year earlier
Arturo Gatti: Shot to pieces
Henry Bruseles: Who?
Demarcus Corley:Sparked By Cotto & Witter
Philip N'dou: Who?

One thing for sure that is P4P one of the ****test roll call of challengers of any World Champ.
Considering there are Plenty of other fighters at Light-welter Welter & LMiddle who are much better.

Hoya still to this day would give it to most junior MW, Balomir was the true lineal champ, why not fight him, Mitchell was tune up fight for Judah. gatti is gatti, even Hatton wanted to fight him, he is legendary. Bruseles was title eliminator and so was corley. Ndou was knocking people heads off before he fought Floyd, he had like 29 kos in 31 fights. They thought Floyd might actually be shocked and take a a$$ whooping


Now lets take Hatton since Zoo, Maussa would won a title on a lucky punch on a overzealous Vivian Harris, Urango who?, Collazo who? and he damned near lost that fight. Urango was tearing his insides out and he got to hugging for the whole damn fight. These guys are the real nobodies....

[Fox McCloud]

Kostya whooped Sharmba 3 rounds quicker than Floyd a year before Floyd.
Hatton beat Kostya 7 months after Kostya beat Sharmba.
Are you trying to say Kostya was over the hill?

I wouldn't say Tszyu was over the hill. But I will if you say that Oscar is, because they were pretty much the same when they fought the two fighters in question. A tad bit faded, but clearly still really ****ing good.

[moofo]

So do you honestly believe Floyd has done enough since moving up to 140 to be classed as highly as he is?

Can you not see in any way he has had a well constructed route to his "Titles" ?
Oscar wasn't the best at 154 either.
Baldomir held the title at 147 but he wasn't the best.
Gatti held the title at 140 but he wasn't the best.

That is my logic.
No way in hell does that make Floyd the best fighter ever lived or any of that other bull****.
P4P is nonsense as well as it is hypothetical and pure fantasy.

I can admit I think Floyd is a great technical fighter but as yet he hasn't done nearly enough to be ranked as an all time great.

[cortdawg25]

One last time who has he fought who was any good???
Forget the nonsense of Belts and paper titles.
Forgetg CaSTILLO as well I am talking 140 and up.
Which top fighters has he beaten in their prime at 140 , 147 and 154 ?

who didn't he fight that he shoud have? who is so good that he avoided?

[cortdawg25]

Kostya whooped Sharmba 3 rounds quicker than Floyd a year before Floyd.
Hatton beat Kostya 7 months after Kostya beat Sharmba.
Are you trying to say Kostya was over the hill?

Yeah whatn't he all ****** up with shoulder problems before he fought hatton. I think he had some issue with injuries before he fought Hatton. But that is here nor there, the problem i got with u, is that u are questioning Floyd's resume in the last few yrs when hatton's is nowhere near his. Only Jermaine taylor can say he has fought tougher opposition the last few yr, sorry

[Fox McCloud]

So do you honestly believe Floyd has done enough since moving up to 140 to be classed as highly as he is?

Can you not see in any way he has had a well constructed route to his "Titles" ?
Oscar wasn't the best at 154 either.
Baldomir held the title at 147 but he wasn't the best.
Gatti held the title at 140 but he wasn't the best.

That is my logic.
No way in hell does that make Floyd the best fighter ever lived or any of that other bull****.
P4P is nonsense as well as it is hypothetical and pure fantasy.

I can admit I think Floyd is a great technical fighter but as yet he hasn't done nearly enough to be ranked as an all time great.

He's accomplished pretty much what he wanted to at all those weights, except for fight Ricky Hatton, and no one can claim that the blame rests entirely on one side.


140 - Got the WBC belt, which he does at every weight class, and become a PPV star.
147 - Beat Judah (which was supposed to be for The Ring belt) and then Baldomir for The Ring belt, and the WBC belt.
154 - Mucho Dinero, and don't forget that WBC belt! The Ring belt was vacant, so he couldn't fight for that. Who was he supposed to fight? Cory Spinks? Why? He moved back down to 147 to fight the bigger names. Hatton, and now the winner of Cotto-Mosley.