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  • the Bender
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    #31
    UFC sucks compared to boxing. yeh i watch it sometimes, when its on free tv. but i would never buy a ppv of ufc no matter who was fighting, and thats why its on free tv to begin with. they need dumb ass hicks to get interested enough in the "sport" to get as many ppv buys as possible. Yeh boxing may not be a mainstream sport anymore, but there is enough of us where boxing ppv's blow ufc ppv's out of the water. its not even close and thats why there isnt any free boxing fights on cable (unfortuntely). Ill tell u what though, imagine if they hyped it up for months on tv and put pavlik-taylor and berto-estrada on nbc or abc or fox. HOLY **** after a card like that we would get many many many more fans. though we don't need it, if we copied the ufc in that aspect it would better the sport.

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    • FightNight 2007
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      #32
      Free UFC Fight Nights get millions of viewiers.....Friday Night Fights on ESPN don't get jack ****.....nobody watched Jermain Taylor vs. Pavlik.......Arum can talk when the numbers show. LOL @ the MMA community not giving boxing the time of day to hate on, but boxing feels the need to hate...they're so mad lol.


      Originally posted by the Bender
      UFC sucks compared to boxing. yeh i watch it sometimes, when its on free tv. but i would never buy a ppv of ufc no matter who was fighting, and thats why its on free tv to begin with. they need dumb ass hicks to get interested enough in the "sport" to get as many ppv buys as possible. Yeh boxing may not be a mainstream sport anymore, but there is enough of us where boxing ppv's blow ufc ppv's out of the water. its not even close and thats why there isnt any free boxing fights on cable (unfortuntely). Ill tell u what though, imagine if they hyped it up for months on tv and put pavlik-taylor and berto-estrada on nbc or abc or fox. HOLY **** after a card like that we would get many many many more fans. though we don't need it, if we copied the ufc in that aspect it would better the sport.
      Man, you're way too ignorant.

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      • Kakutogi-Gumi
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        #33
        Originally posted by mrpain81
        The Reason he put that card on Free spike was because

        1. It was in London and the time difference ****s up the PPV's because nobody wants to watch a ppv card at 12:00 Pm in the afternoon. He got a huge crowd in Europe because of Bispin and Crocop. alot of people left the arena after the bispin fight.

        2. Nobody was going to pay for henderson Vs Rampage, Only die hard MMA fans even knew who they were before they came to the UFC. Like Ive always said, If Liddell would have won, there's no way that card would have been free.

        Another thing I want to add, Yes the ratings were great. But WWE gets those kinds of ratings almost every week. If Kelly Pavlik Vs Jermain Taylor was on ESPN2 what kind of ratings do u think they would have gotten?
        1. Pride still did PPVs when they were on time delay. Nothing wrong with PPV like that.

        Also, Europe was already ahead of the curve when it comes to MMA. Everyone had fans there. Kongo, Jackson, Henderson, etc.

        2. You would have got a good buyrate. True, you wouldn't have that much buying the PPV, but it still would have been high. Jackson is charismatic enough to draw.

        And MMA is not pro-wrestling.

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          #34
          Originally posted by FightNight 2007
          Free UFC Fight Nights get millions of viewiers.....Friday Night Fights on ESPN don't get jack ****.....nobody watched Jermain Taylor vs. Pavlik.......Arum can talk when the numbers show. LOL @ the MMA community not giving boxing the time of day to hate on, but boxing feels the need to hate...they're so mad lol.




          Man, you're way too ignorant.
          Yeh, ok i'm ignorant. ufc ppv's are **** compared to boxing, absolute ****. that's why their biggest stars like chuck liddel and crocop (who constantly get upset since its senseless streetfighting) get paid **** as well. chuck liddel makes something liek hundred thousand a fight (in fact i think it's less), compared to the millions top boxers make. wonder why that is, cause the sport isn't as popular as boxing when it comes to numbers ******!!!!if it was they would be getting paid the same. besides all the fighters are ****** hicks or former gang member. and as for mma people not saying anything bad about boxing, well ur simply an idiot if u believe that too. joe rogan (u know the loser from fear factor that is also the host of ufc) somehow finds a way to make fun of boxing everytime ive seen the **** excuse of a sport on spiketv. whether that be him making fun of how the top guys in boxing don't fight each other or how boxing s corrupt or how boxing is only one dimensional compared to UFC he can't keep his mouth shut, you obviously never saw him agrueing with lou dibella. before u call someone ignorant check ur facts idiot, ufc sucks **** and that's why its on the **** spike tv network and not ESPN which is dedicated to the actual sports.
          Last edited by the Bender; 10-01-2007, 05:03 PM.

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            #35
            ok i was wrong, liddell was paid 500000 his last fight. forrest was paid 40,000. shogun roa was paid 150000. those are some of there top fighters. compare that to cotto's 5 mil and mosley 3 mil they will make on nov 10th and it proves how superior boxing is to mma. and i dont even have to mention mayweather, de la hoya, and hatton's purses that they will make soon. it would take liddell two life times of fighting in the ufc, fighting 3 times every day to come even close to what our top guys make. and thats because we can afford to pay boxing stars that cause we bring in the money, unlike ufc.

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            • Kakutogi-Gumi
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              #36
              Joe Rogan doesn't speak for the MMA community. If you believe that, then you really need to talk to more people.

              As to payscale, MMA is just hitting it's stride. It'll get to boxing levels soon. Give it time.

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                #37
                what does payscale have to do with quality of sport? i mean, just because boxers roll in more money right now, does that qualify as boxing overall being a better sport?

                like others have said, the comparisons and fighting between fans of MMA and that of boxing is dumb. they are distinct and one can be a fan of both, like myself and others in this thread are from the looks of it...i think the best thing that the UFC has going for it is the fact that it is considered the premier organization in the world and thus the champion of the UFC is considered the unilateral champion of MMA in his division(sans possibly the case for Fedor)...if anything, boxing benefits from the pressure exerted by the UFC since it forces the best to fight the best sooner and more often in order to create that unilateralism that sometimes becomes nonexisten with all the boxing commissions, paper champs and whatnot...

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by the Bender
                  wonder why that is, cause the sport isn't as popular as boxing when it comes to numbers ******!!!!
                  Please read....






                  Anyone that has taken high school economics will know that boxing is a CORPORATION....UFC is an ORGANIZATION. It's a PARTNERSHIP...Boxing can afford to pay their fighters $20M because they have 56798739734 organizations within the sport and its fighters all fighting each other. MMA has different organizations that don't work together business wise.

                  The Bender, you're an idiot.

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                  • McNulty
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Royal Burnell
                    Arum does not understand.

                    There is years…centuries of grappling history that he has to tear down to even scratch at the midwestern public.
                    Arum knows the game better than anyone else. Did you know the UFC was 36 million in the hole in 94'? The UFC history is about 15 years...not centuries. UFC fighters dont get **** and this 1st generation of UFC/MMA fighters are short lived due to serious injuries. Severly broken bones, constant pain and complications...etc.

                    Look @ the Mark Kerr story...isnt Hughes retiring? Wonder why. BJ Penn only has like 11 or 14 wins right? I wouldnt doubt if hes living on credit. I used to train w/pros that made a few 100 thousand and its all pissed away now. Mid-Low level boxers dont make **** and MMA guys make less.

                    MMA=more danger and less pay...translation=bad career move.

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                    • McNulty
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Royal Burnell
                      Joe Rogan doesn't speak for the MMA community. If you believe that, then you really need to talk to more people.

                      As to payscale, MMA is just hitting it's stride. It'll get to boxing levels soon. Give it time.
                      Bodog paid Fedor 1.5 million right? Whos made anything close to that? Fedors the best of the best. DLH has made over 30 million for the PBF fight as of a few weeks ago [thats including his position @ GBP]. PBF got like around 10 mill right? Thas 10x more than Fedor. Tyson made over 20 million for fights right?

                      MMA is light years away from Boxings pay scale. It'll decline before it rises.

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