Did Freddie Roach's gameplan cost Oscar the win vs. Mayweather?

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

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do u think the fight would actually be closer if oscar boxed the more pure boxer pbf the whole night?? i dont think so.

Jack Mosley will sue me for this, but... I think Oscar should have "powerboxed". Boxed, yes. But throwing the heavier shots. And still in that boxing - not slugging or brawling - mode.

When Oscar looked best to me was when he was coming forward and feinting and stalking and throwing the heavy punches. Whether they were landing well or not. It LOOKED good. And it made Floyd cautious.

When ODLH looked bad to me was when they got close, and Floyd had him all tangled up and Oscar looked like that goofy kid at the local boxing gym. And PBF was kinda laughing at him. Floyd is VERY tricky inside with his defense and elbows.

So I guess my answer is "yes". If I were judging, I would have given Oscar another round or two for boxing. He just looked ineffective brawling.

So we will constructively disagree.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

I've heard the argument that you have to "beat the champion" and "take the belt", etc. I think that was DEFINITELY the case in the old days. But in this era, these belts are so watered down. There are four or five "champions" at every class, and it seems like every fight nowadays is for "A TITLE".

How was Oscar even "a champion" anyway? He won ONE fight at 154 in the past four years. Because Oscar is a big money fighter, he can basically fight for a belt whenever he wants.

In this era, I just judge a fight evenly. Not with a bias towards the champion.

Just my method.

[-Hyperion-]

LOL at you guys who said Freddie ruined Oscar by turning him into a brawler and not box floyd. Arent you the same guys who thought Oscar deserved the win because he brought the fight to floyd? and how did he do this? he got him in the ropes and gave some flurries. that's what ppl who gave the win to oscar saw. i know his jab held him in the fight and freddie kept egging him on to use it, but i think it was the flurries that gave him the points, the brawling he did and not by being a boxer the whole fight.

come on man, you dont have to back freddie up at everything just because you like pacman..........

[niceguy45]

Yeah... but you can't get outlanded 2 to 1, never hurt the guy and expect to keep your belt.

Nearly every objective ringside observer had Floyd winning.

sorry i didn't.....

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

sorry i didn't.....

Niceguy,

You gave Oscar round 6 and round 8.

All three judges gave Floyd round 6, and two of the three judges gave Floyd round 8.

So, with all due respect, I will question your objectivity. Or perspective.

[Bogler]

come on man, you dont have to back freddie up at everything just because you like pacman..........

where did that come from, that had nothin to do w/ it mayn. i wasn't defendin freddie, even though the game plan surely must have come from him. but i thought oscar wouldnt be able to box the more skillful pbf all night and w/ him being the bigger stronger guy, i find it logical to use this to powerbox, as DDominicano said above.

[Boxicologist]

Througout training camp, Roach kept telling Oscar he was the bigger man. With more power.

On 24/7, when they were training, Roach was bumping Oscar and saying "this is a fight...**** him" (remember that?) to get Oscar in the brawling mindset.

Oscar said that he was gonna make it a rough, tough, dirty fight.

Oscar came out early and started slapping Floyd's waistpad (his idea of "going to the body").

All of this tells me that the jab wasn't a key part of their gameplan. It was something they "found" during the fight. But were not prepared to fully execute.

And yet during the fight, Roach kept telling him to use the jab.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

And yet during the fight, Roach kept telling him to use the jab.

Yes, you are right. Roach told Oscar to use the jab.

But it appears that they hadn't trained that way. And nobody has ever accused Oscar of being the smartest fighter in the world. Nahmean?

Over the years, Oscar has made tactical mistakes with alot of fighters. It was Roach's job to lay out an executable, winning plan. I just don't think he put DLH in the best position to win.

Not to mention Roach's lack of emotion of fight night.

[-Hyperion-]

Yes, you are right. Roach told Oscar to use the jab.

But it appears that they hadn't trained that way. And nobody has ever accused Oscar of being the smartest fighter in the world. Nahmean?

Over the years, Oscar has made tactical mistakes with alot of fighters. It was Roach's job to lay out an executable, winning plan. I just don't think he put DLH in the best position to win.

Not to mention Roach's lack of emotion of fight night.

i agree completely with this post....

[Boxicologist]

Let's get this straight: it would have been a monumental task for ANYONE to beat Mayweather that night. No matter WHO the trainer was.

Seriously, this is Floyd Mayweather we're talking about here. Roach could have given Oscar the best advice that night but I believe the Mayweather would have adjusted to win that fight, if not the round.

And does Roach really open his tactics to his opponents and the media? He could say anything in front of the media and train for something completely different.