Did Freddie Roach's gameplan cost Oscar the win vs. Mayweather?

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

I watched the fight the other day. Again.

I noticed that Oscar was MOST successful when he would just box Floyd. Just put hands on him. Whenever Oscar tried to brawl or bully, he got hit with hard shots, and he looked awkward. It just wasn't natural for him.

Oscar was the bigger man , with the better chin. On the surface, it would appear that brawling would be the right tactic. But Floyd is so fast and so smart and defensively gifted, that he would hit Oscar, and elude him. Then oscar would have to reset.

Oscar failed to consistently use his length, good handspeed and strong left hand in the fight.

I had remembered a statement that Roach had made:

"No disrespect to Floyd Sr., but I want to get Oscar away from the pitty-pat stuff," says Roach. "Everything I do is about power. Our size is our biggest advantage."


"I don't think we can outpoint Floyd. We don't want a boxing match. We have to make it a fight, because Floyd is a clever guy. We can't fall for his tricks."


I think that was wrong. They COULD have won a decision. Oscar unnecessarily gassed himself by throwing some useless, heavy punches early on. Every time Oscar tried to press, Floyd won the round. Oscar should have fought Floyd the way that Forrest fought Shane. Box the guy, and just let your natural power advantage come through. Don't look for the power shots. Just let it come.

THOUGHTS?

[St@rscreem]

I said to all my boys during the buildup for the fight that dude was training incorrectly. Oscar's whole career he's been a boxer, and now all of a sudden he is training to be a puncher, in hopes of a knockout. I don't know why everyone thinks they are going to knock him out, and just completely disregard the possibility that they can outbox him.

But hey, you know having Freddie Roach as a trainer'll get you an "L" most times anyway.

[revs1227]

But hey, you know having Freddie Roach as a trainer'll get you an "L" most times anyway. [/QUOTE]

what ?

[-Hyperion-]

yes, freddy roach ruined oscars chance, he also made hopkins look like ****.........he made them gamplans to "look" like they were winning.....th judges bought it in the hopkins fight, but not in the oscar fight....i still thought oscar did great, but it got me pissed that oscar fought like that because i knew they wouldnt even give him the decision...even if he lost more clearly boxing, i wouldve liked for him to fight in his usual style...

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

yes, freddy roach ruined oscars chance, he also made hopkins look like ****.........he made them gamplans to "look" like they were winning.....th judges bought it in the hopkins fight, but not in the oscar fight....i still thought oscar did great, but it got me pissed that oscar fought like that because i knew they wouldnt even give him the decision...even if he lost more clearly boxing, i wouldve liked for him to fight in his usual style...

Freddie got too caught up in the size advantage.

You can have a size advantage, and just use that to outbox the guy. Not to outslug. Like Zaheer raheem did to morales, or Winky did to Shane , or Forrest did to Shane, or collazo did with Hatton, or Winky did with Quartey, or Clottey did with Corrales or Hopkins did with Tito. Take your time and systematically break the guy down.

[-Hyperion-]

Freddie got too caught up in the size advantage.

You can have a size advantage, and just use that to outbox the guy. Not to outslug. Like Zaheer raheem did to morales, or Winky did to Shane , or Forrest did to Shane, or collazo did with Hatton, or Winky did with Quartey, or Clottey did with Corrales or Hopkins did with Tito. Take your time and systematically break the guy down.

yep oscar was ****** to follow him, because he already had that experience against sugar shane when his game plan to pressure the little man failed...and did much better boxing in the second fight.....

[Vladimir303]

yep oscar was ****** to follow him, because he already had that experience against sugar shane when his game plan to pressure the little man failed...and did much better boxing in the second fight.....

yea you're right but that's why oscar is never gonna be among the all-time greats. He beat alot of good fighters, he beat plenty of very good fighters but he lost to all the great ones. He was competitive in all those fights but he still lost. What he could of should of or would of done doesn't matter at this point.

[SkillspayBills]

I have to concur, Oscar using his length and boxing with Floyd was working fine for him. When he would get Floyd and throw those flurries he would only tire himself out. However, Floyd is a master at adjusting and I think he would of switched his approach and ended up winning a decision either way.

[MoneyINC]

Oscar De La Hoya a boxer well i guess i see it but, honestly ive always thought of him as a puncher who could box... The best tactic for Oscar in the PBF fight to me was to use his jab cut off the ring and **** Floyd to the body the 1st 4-5 rounds once PBF got whiff of this he should have, kept working off the jab and rather then trying to press Floyd turn it into what Floyd was making it a true boxing match and rather then coming forward Oscar should have kept his ground planted his feet and fought his fight.... But in all honesty Oscar was to aggressive overxalous and counting more on his power then his speed, agility, and track record of being able to **** and use movement with bigger guys, because instead of fighing like the bigger guy with Floyd as he did, he would have profited better from fighting like the same size guy.... He should have watched more of the Judah fight and used some of those tactics and we know that Oscar's heart and stamina triumph that of Judah's!

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

I have to concur, Oscar using his length and boxing with Floyd was working fine for him. When he would get Floyd and throw those flurries he would only tire himself out. However, Floyd is a master at adjusting and I think he would of switched his approach and ended up winning a decision either way.

Almost every boxer was saying that Oscar had a style to give PBF problems. And Oscar's style isn't a brawler or pressure fighter. If all these guys saw that, why didn't Roach?



BTW, WTF is up with Antuofermo at this point?