Were Tszyu and Castillo Shot When Hatton Fought Them?

[PBDS]

....Castillo was shot and Zoo had an off night and couldn't get rolling. I give credit to Hatton, but on neutral soil with Zoo on his game it's no costest.

[Kobe Bryant]

No just Castillo I could tell he was shot from the first round. He couldn't even stand up straight in there his legs were going every which way. But Tyszu had some good moments in the fight. And if he kept fighting he may ghave had a shot at a KO or maybe getting a close decision or draw. That's why I can't believe he quit becuase he had his moments in the fight.

[Kobe Bryant]

Well maybe not a decision but you never know what the judges are doing.

[dino]

Castillo was past his best but still more than capable of beating most guys at 140 lbs so I don't think you could call him shot. Tszyu wasn't shot by any stretch.

bull****, from the first 20 seconds of the fight, you could see castillo wasnt going to win, and NOT BECAUSE OF HATTON, he was slow, hatton went in for the clinch castillo almost fell and looked weak, everytime castillo threw a punch he looked horrible. castillo was escotred to the ring by chavez jr that night, and wouldnt have beaten chavez jr

[wmute]

All anyone gives on here is their opinion. You cannot suggest that there are "empirical facts" that a fighter is "shot" unless there is some sort of controlled scientific experiement that can be conducted to provide sturdy evidence.

I surely can, it's called statistical inference. You dont know if Castillo is the same as he was, you look at one performance in the ring, then you push your estimate (an informed opinion) in one direction or the other. A fighter looking worse than he ever did before is a sample toward "Castillo is not the same he was", if not strictly "shot". There would be nothing you have seen in a ring that could possibly push your estimate in the direction of "Castillo is the same".

Just in the same way, those screaming "zoo was shot" have little to back that up, considering how zoo looked against Mitchell.

[$iN]

bull****, from the first 20 seconds of the fight, you could see castillo wasnt going to win, and NOT BECAUSE OF HATTON, he was slow, hatton went in for the clinch castillo almost fell and looked weak, everytime castillo threw a punch he looked horrible. castillo was escotred to the ring by chavez jr that night, and wouldnt have beaten chavez jr

You're right. Castillo looked like nothing more than a journeyman opponent once the bell rang...

[Fox McCloud]

Let's get two things straight here.

1. Castillo was shot. He looked absolutely awful.

2. Ricky Hatton looked absolutely great in his win over Castillo. I don't know about everyone else, but I didn't take a thing away from him in his win over Castillo. I mean, I don't think it was as significant as beating a prime Castillo, but it wasn't a negative mark on the career of Ricky. More than anything, it answered some questions, but left some unanswered, because Castillo didn't get Ricky in trouble or anything like that, so the only thing we don't know is if Ricky will be able to keep going if a great fighter gets him in trouble.

[Run]

bollocks, tszyu beat mitchell twice completly outclassed the guy.

I wouldn't say that necessarily.

I thought Mitchell was winning the first fight until his knee went out. The second fight was definitely one sided, and I think that had a lot to do with Mitchell's knee problems. He lacked the mobility that defined all of his previous fights, and was like a sitting target for Tszyu's power punches.

Tszyu deserves the credit for the knockout and winning the first fight by that stoppage, but Mitchell showed in the first fight he was definitely able to contend and given that injury didn't occur I think he would have won a decision handedly.

Those are only if's and buts.



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[$iN]

I wouldn't say that necessarily.

I thought Mitchell was winning the first fight until his knee went out. The second fight was definitely one sided, and I think that had a lot to do with Mitchell's knee problems. He lacked the mobility that defined all of his previous fights, and was like a sitting target for Tszyu's power punches.

Tszyu deserves the credit for the knockout and winning the first fight by that stoppage, but Mitchell showed in the first fight he was definitely able to contend and given that injury didn't occur I think he would have won a decision handedly.

Those are only if's and buts.

Mitchell's success in that first fight with Tszyu is the reason Hatton ducked Sharmba while Tszyu was out with his injury...

[squealpiggy]

I surely can, it's called statistical inference. You dont know if Castillo is the same as he was, you look at one performance in the ring, then you push your estimate (an informed opinion) in one direction or the other. A fighter looking worse than he ever did before is a sample toward "Castillo is not the same he was", if not strictly "shot". There would be nothing you have seen in a ring that could possibly push your estimate in the direction of "Castillo is the same".

Just in the same way, those screaming "zoo was shot" have little to back that up, considering how zoo looked against Mitchell.

You need statistics to have statistical inference, not a subjective contention that Castillo was not past his best (because this is not a question of whether he is past his best) but "shot" which I would loosely define as being so far beyond his best that he would be considered nothing more than an opponent for the padding of the records of prospects. Castillo would likely defeat most Junior Welterweights as it stands today, an assertion backed up by the Ring Magazine who still rank him sixth at 140.