Will Mayweather stand toe to toe with hatton?

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  • heat27
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    #91
    i hope he goes toe to toe with him so i dont fell asleep like the DLH VS Mayweather fight.

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    • moy22487
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      #92
      Originally posted by PR miguel cotto
      i hope he goes toe to toe with him so i dont fell asleep like the DLH VS Mayweather fight.
      so i take it you are not a true fan of the sweet science?

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      • wmute
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        #93
        Originally posted by moy22487
        no because zab was faster than hatton, oscar i belive is faster. oscar is stronger than hatton, and oscar was bigger then floyd. floyd might be bigger than hatton makeing it easy for him to box him all night
        What you type is true, but it is only half of the story:

        1) They never made a job of jumping on their opponents (Judah didnt even try against Floyd, and Floyd was moving forward more than anything else), which is the one of the best parts of Hatton's game.

        2) They also dont throw many punches (and none of them tried to do that against Floyd, except the ridiculous flurries by Oscar on the ropes), throwing many punches with angles, which is another of Hatton's best assets. Floyd discourages his opponent from throwing in two ways: countering and not getting hit. Countering implies punching, which is exactly what I expect. Not getting hit implies blocking, slipping, parring, rolling which are all harder to do with an opponent who throws a lot and with angles. Another thing Floyd does is positioning himself (more recently he became an absolute master at this) in a way which make the other fighters' best punches hard to throw where and when desired. That worked wonders but many punches from angles is exactly what makes this difficult. Same applies to feints. In fact if Floyd shuts down Hatton, I will think I have witnessed a boxing masterpiece for the ages

        3) In the first half of the Judah and De La Hoya fight Floyd gave away rounds by not throwing much and measuring the opponent, knowing Oscar and Zab would gas out. That he cannot count on with Hatton.
        Last edited by wmute; 08-20-2007, 09:27 PM. Reason: wanted to add a few things, and no one had replied yet.

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        • DIOS DOMINICANO
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          #94
          Originally posted by bigneli
          I'm just saying that Cotto or even Mosley have proven to be better than Hatton so far. Why call out or fight the one (Hatton) that is not the best out of these 3. Beating Cotto would put him on the place he says to be. Let's face it, he fought a declining DLH, a decent but not great Judah and some others that could not beat the likes of DLH, Trinidad, Mosley, Vargas, even Forrest. So can you (and I'm not saying you are) call Mayweather the greatest without beating the greatest? I don't know.
          I'm absolutely cool with what you are saying. But please don't be one of those people who are DEMANDING that PBF fight Cotto on the basis of the Judah fight.

          If PBF beat a "decent" Judah, then Cotto beat a version of Judah that was 15 months of inactivity worse. Soooo, let's not get too excited about Cotto until after November 10th. Remember, Migs has beaten nobody.

          I agree that you have to BEAT the best to BE the best....

          ...But Cotto, Shane, Cintron, Margarito, Hatton, etc don't exactly have sterling records vs top competition, either.

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            #95
            Originally posted by freedom213
            against gatti Mayweather knew he overmatched gatti in every way except heart. this is not the case against hatton if you think so you need to watch some more of hattons fights. Standing toe to toe against Hatton would play right into hattons strengths.
            Freedom, I have watched a number of Hatton's fights and the only one that impressed me was the one against Kosta Tsyzu, who basically let Hatton bully him all night. In all his other fights, his promoter deliberately matched him against stiffs and guys who were over the hill, like Vince Phillips. In his one fight at 147, Hatton was almost KOed by a guy whose name I can't even remember. Floyd is faster, stronger and more powerful than that guy and he has the best defense in boxing. Hatton will fight his fight. Floyd will fight his, which does not involve going toe to toe, but he will still knock him out. After it is all said and done, Hatton and his team and his supporters will whine and make excuses and Floyd will still be P4P best.

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              #96
              Originally posted by big_james10
              Floyd will fight his, which does not involve going toe to toe, but he will still knock him out. After it is all said and done, Hatton and his team and his supporters will whine and make excuses and Floyd will still be P4P best.
              The thing is, I don't think Team Hatton will make excuses. I believe that they wil handle the loss like men, and RH will say that he lost to the best fighter in the world. He will say that he'll work harder and try again. Ricky will be a man. PERHAPS Graham will complain that Ricky was prevented from fighting his fight plan by the ref.

              But Graham has been saying that he has known for two years how he will beat Floyd. I'm assuming that this 'master plan' is not referee-dependent.

              The Hatton fans? They will whine, ***** and moan like the unreasonable people they have consistently proven themselves to be. They won't give PBF any credit. These are the same people who are saying that Castillo was a prime fighter when Hatton beat JLC. Please adjust expectations accordingly.

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                #97
                Originally posted by DIOS DOMINICANO
                The thing is, I don't think Team Hatton will make excuses. I believe that they wil handle the loss like men, and RH will say that he lost to the best fighter in the world. He will say that he'll work harder and try again. Ricky will be a man. PERHAPS Graham will complain that Ricky was prevented from fighting his fight plan by the ref.

                But Graham has been saying that he has known for two years how he will beat Floyd. I'm assuming that this 'master plan' is not referee-dependent.

                The Hatton fans? They will whine, ***** and moan like the unreasonable people they have consistently proven themselves to be. They won't give PBF any credit. These are the same people who are saying that Castillo was a prime fighter when Hatton beat JLC. Please adjust expectations accordingly.

                I am just glad the fight is finally taking place. It is three years overdue. Mayweather should have already beaten Hatton, Cotto, and Mosley by now and should be planning his farewell party in his second bout against De La Hoya. Boxing would be a much better sport if promoters weren't so concerned about lining their pockets and protecting their investments and gave us good fights regularly.

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                • landmine950
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                  #98
                  TrackStar PBF!

                  PBF will run like always! He's seeking a Nike track show sponsorship!
                  Hatton can't catch him and doesn't have 1/2 enough skills to beat PBF
                  My prediction....PBF runs and pitty pats his way to another boring victory that the crowds will hate and Hatton will continue to dissapoint in his career in the USA.
                  My hope? Hatton cuts off the ring and corners him and turns the fight into a war where both men suck it up and make Ward/Gatti look like a tella-tubbies dance contest........Oh ya..and to win the lotto.

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                  • DIOS DOMINICANO
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                    #99
                    Originally posted by big_james10
                    I am just glad the fight is finally taking place. It is three years overdue. Mayweather should have already beaten Hatton, Cotto, and Mosley by now and should be planning his farewell party in his second bout against De La Hoya. Boxing would be a much better sport if promoters weren't so concerned about lining their pockets and protecting their investments and gave us good fights regularly.
                    Wow. Don't you think that would have been a very , err, ambitious schedule considering that PBF has been a WW for less than two years?

                    And that he was a lightweight until about three years ago?

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                    • Fox McCloud
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                      #100
                      Originally posted by DIOS DOMINICANO
                      Wow. Don't you think that would have been a very , err, ambitious schedule considering that PBF has been a WW for less than two years?

                      And that he was a lightweight until about three years ago?
                      Uhhh, yes, that is quite ambitious... I agree with you 100%.

                      Also, the ones mentioned above that Floyd has to fight in order to be considered a slightly above average boxer by most ****s on this forum do have weak or no records against top opposition. You were also dead on with this (it's amazing how many times I say this about your posts). Cintron, Cotto, Margarito, Hatton have really beaten no elites in the sport. The ONLY one I can name that has ever been an elite is Hatton's win over Tszyu. Mosley has been in with top competition, and has lost 4 times (Forrest twice and Wright twice). His wins over De La Hoya are quite impressive, but that was a long time ago, and his wins over Vargas are a nice win in terms of name recognition, but ultimately that means little. Mosley is not the guardian of the P4P list like he once was. Both Forrest and Wright scored big in the sport by beating him, but he is not revered as the consumate fighter in the middle divisions anymore.

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