IF Floyd stops the great Ricky Hatton, is PBF the GOAT?

[Grappler_Baki60]

I wonder how people would have viewed PBF's legacy if he stayed down at 135 (easily) and beat Freitas, Casamayor (which would have broken my heart), Forbes, Raheem, etc.

At that point, would people see him as one of history's great LW's?

There is no doubt in my mind that Floyd would have dominated the 135 division for a long time. He had already beaten the two killers @ LW. Much of the criticism he gets is because of his style. But he changed that style for Baldomir and Delahoya ONLY.

Anyone who criticizes PBF as "a runner" just started watching boxing. They need to remember that PBF is naturally a little guy. He just got to 140 about seven fights ago.

Agree. Most people don't like him because he doesn't fight toe to toe which is EXTREMELY ******. Then when I tell them this they respond by saying he's a liar. I understand that PBF said he was gonna fight toe to toe against DLH. But keep in mind DLH was 20 pounds heavier. Didn't that make DLH seem like the bigger punk. I mean I would have came in weighing as much as PBF because he had a better chance of catching PBF. + PBF would have traded with him seeing as that would have weighed that same. Think so??

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

This is how ESPN saw it:


The final list
1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Joe Louis
5. Willie Pep
6. Roberto Duran
7. Benny Leonard
8. Jack Johnson
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Sam Langford
11. Joe Gans
12. Sugar Ray Leonard
13. Harry Greb
14. Rocky Marciano
15. Jimmy Wilde
16. Gene Tunney
17. Mickey Walker
18. Archie Moore
19. Stanley Ketchel
20. George Foreman
21. Tony Canzoneri
22. Barney Ross
23. Jimmy McLarnin
24. Julio Cesar Chavez
25. Marcel Cerdan
26. Joe Frazier
27. Ezzard Charles
28. Jake LaMotta
29. Sandy Saddler
30. Terry McGovern
31. Billy Conn
32. Jose Napoles
33. Ruben Olivares
34. Emile Griffith
35. Marvin Hagler
36. Eder Jofre
37. Thomas Hearns
38. Larry Holmes
39. Oscar De La Hoya
40. Evander Holyfield
41. Ted "Kid" Lewis
42. Alexis Arguello
43. Marco Antonio Barrera
44. Pernell Whitaker
45. Carlos Monzon
46. Roy Jones Jr.
47. Bernard Hopkins
48. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
49. Erik Morales
50. Mike Tyson

[Grappler_Baki60]

Grappler,

I'm asking you to suspend the "bigger guy" mindset. This is a P4P matchup.

jajajaja si yo entiendo

[Grappler_Baki60]

This is how ESPN saw it:


The final list
1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Joe Louis
5. Willie Pep
6. Roberto Duran
7. Benny Leonard
8. Jack Johnson
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Sam Langford
11. Joe Gans
12. Sugar Ray Leonard
13. Harry Greb
14. Rocky Marciano
15. Jimmy Wilde
16. Gene Tunney
17. Mickey Walker
18. Archie Moore
19. Stanley Ketchel
20. George Foreman
21. Tony Canzoneri
22. Barney Ross
23. Jimmy McLarnin
24. Julio Cesar Chavez
25. Marcel Cerdan
26. Joe Frazier
27. Ezzard Charles
28. Jake LaMotta
29. Sandy Saddler
30. Terry McGovern
31. Billy Conn
32. Jose Napoles
33. Ruben Olivares
34. Emile Griffith
35. Marvin Hagler
36. Eder Jofre
37. Thomas Hearns
38. Larry Holmes
39. Oscar De La Hoya
40. Evander Holyfield
41. Ted "Kid" Lewis
42. Alexis Arguello
43. Marco Antonio Barrera
44. Pernell Whitaker
45. Carlos Monzon
46. Roy Jones Jr.
47. Bernard Hopkins
48. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
49. Erik Morales
50. Mike Tyson

That list stinks!!!! I agree with the first two. Willie pep does deserve to be up there also. Other then that the list suxs. OUCH. SRL and Duran should stick close. PBF s better then DLH I mean c'mon DLH lost almost all his big fights. Benard Hopkins defeated all that have beat RJJ.

[TRUE WARRIOR]

why does dios dominicano have so much hate for hatton? this is a fighter who comes to fight and entertain the fans. he tries to go for the knockout and he doesnt run from anybody. why do you hate this man and support a coward??

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

Agree. Most people don't like him because he doesn't fight toe to toe which is EXTREMELY ******. Then when I tell them this they respond by saying he's a liar. I understand that PBF said he was gonna fight toe to toe against DLH. But keep in mind DLH was 20 pounds heavier. Didn't that make DLH seem like the bigger punk. I mean I would have came in weighing as much as PBF because he had a better chance of catching PBF. + PBF would have traded with him seeing as that would have weighed that same. Think so??

Well, I think Oscar had NO CHANCE of getting down much lighter. He was extremely ripped at that weight. Oscar had been at 154+ for a lot of years now. He would have weakened himself badly trying to make 147.

Do they consider Fighter X as being "a liar" everytime he says that he is going to win, but ends up losing? That's just farkin' idiotic.

Oscar was the much bigger man. He dictated a small ring. He dictated a higher weight. He dictated puncher's gloves. He sparred with Jin Mosley's wife, ferchrissakes. And he FAILED to make it a "rough, tough, dirty fight" like he said he would. And in the instances where he did catch Floyd with a left hook or anything heavy, he couldn't hurt him.

Ray Leonard is considered an all-time great. You ****ers love him. Tell me: what style did Ray use to beat Duran and Hagler? Did Ray stand in front of MMH?

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

why does dios dominicano have so much hate for hatton? this is a fighter who comes to fight and entertain the fans. he tries to go for the knockout and he doesnt run from anybody. why do you hate this man and support a coward??

Where's the hate for Hatton? show me.

"a coward"? Who's the hater, me or you?

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

That list stinks!!!! I agree with the first two. Willie pep does deserve to be up there also. Other then that the list suxs. OUCH. SRL and Duran should stick close. PBF s better then DLH I mean c'mon DLH lost almost all his big fights. Bernard Hopkins defeated all that have beat RJJ.

RJJ beat Hopkins heads-up. And would have again at any point in their primes.

I don't like that list either...but that's ESPN's opinion. Not sure about the age of that list.

Oscar above PBF is ******. Pernell should be WAY higher. WAY.

[Grappler_Baki60]

why does dios dominicano have so much hate for hatton? this is a fighter who comes to fight and entertain the fans. he tries to go for the knockout and he doesnt run from anybody. why do you hate this man and support a coward??

I don't see any hate. I don't hate RH. I dislike him! I cant hate him he's a nice guy and all.
1. BUT RH fought in the U.K for to long and was being compared to PBF. So PBF wanted to fight him b4 and RH said he wasn't ready. When in reality he didn't want to fight PBF.
2. If u move up to 147 and win ur first fight there. Why would you go back down to 140. For to many people it seemed like he punk out.
3. RH says 147 is to big for him. How is 147 to big for him when he comes weighing in at 150+.
Thats why people dislike him. The ONLY and I mean ONLY credit I give RH is that he is fighting PBF here in the U.S unlike Joe Calzaghe who wants to continue fighting bums and doesn't want to prove anything to world ONLY U.K

[Ironside]

Whoa, Marvin Hagler and RJJ in that list are waaaay too low, other than that it's a pretty good list with a few exceptions.