Legacies: Roy Jones Vs. Sugar Ray Leonard

[GunStar]

1) Hearns-Duran was at 154, not a 160

2) Duran was a lightweight

3) Tarver has a better KO record at 175 than Hearns does a 168

Ok that was my error, I guess boxrec is helping you out.

Duran took punches from Hagler, Barkley and many other power punchers at 154 and 160 without being knocked out, Hearns knocked Duran out cold with one punch, so now you think Tarver a few pounds heavier hits harder then Hearns.

I'm done with you, you either repeat the same rubbish or you go off topic with each of my quotes.

I'm not wasting my time arguing with a Jones butt-muncher. Astalavista, baby!

[EMPOROAR]

Anyone who thinks Jones has a better legacy then Ray Leonard, well then they need a lesson on boxing history.

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i think jones would of beat the **** out of leanord

That's dumb, cuz you can't compare. Roy started at middleweight and fought in the 170's and went to heayweight. Leonard was the man at welterweight. Roy never fought a Hagler, Hearns, or Duran. Leonard didn't get knocked da **** out like Roy either...TWICE! Leonard would beat any of the welterweights today only Floyd could give him a problem IMO.

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It was 20 days shy of 6 years. So you're wrong! Correct the fight should've not happen but you can't say that about Jones/Tarver fight, Jones was still undefeated if you don't count the Griffen fight.

lol, you cant even count, and you dont know how to round up or down... I realize that beyond your well known deficiencies in knowledge and understanding of boxing and logic, you also have big problems with 3rd grade math.

Say what? Jones fought 8 straight years at 175, how in the hell he was not a natural 175 pounder. Nice try, you failed again!

You aint got **** to answer that, I will repeat it, see if it enters your brain... head
Jones was outweighed by the vast majority of the lightheavys he faced (all of them except the middlewieght like him), hence he was not a natural lightheavyweight

I was being sarcastic, I was not making any excuses for Leonard, like the way you do with Jones.

20 pounds of muscle mass is not an excuse, it's a fact

The point was you're making excuses for Jones again, read my quote again.

It's more like this: I am bringing you facts, you call them excuses.

Likewise! Go watch some of his fight after the Hall fight, you will basicly see the same Jones that fought Tarver in the first fight, the only difference was Tarver was the best fighter he faced since Toney 10 years ago, yea Jones will look a little better against some of the cab drivers he was fighting during those years, but he was the same.

You either need a huge pair of glasses, or you are very biased. We all happen to know the answer.

Jones in the first Tarver fight looked like a ****ing cadaver, even his complexion did not look the same

I did, but it was pretty ******ed, you were talking about Leonards achivements at the age of 33 against some all time greats, yea I know Leonard, Duran and Hearns were not in their prime when they fought for the last time, still we're talking about Hearns and Duran, not Tarver or Johnson which both were also not in prime, but they just knocked out of prime Jones out.

Jones was 35, Leonard was 33. Jones at 33 was kicking ass. heavyweight ass at 34.

I know it was tough for you to vote and I know this poll is pissing you off!

"tough for me to vote"... ? Were you abused in a voting booth or something like that to come up with that one?

[QUOTE=GunStar;2541554]Now you're being ******! I was not talking about who's regarded higher, we were talking about who was more washed up at the same age. We all know who's regarded higher and that's Leonard!

inactivity + *******. Do the math genius!

Look any moron who saw both Leonard and Jones at the age of 35, knew very well that Leonard was much more washed up then Jones, inactivity, *******, career threatening injury all adds up!

Yes, and it was his fault, not Jones', the results of his being a cokehead should be part of his legacy, just as much as Jones fighting at 35 should be

Once again you're going off topic, the only thing you're on topic is Leonard not being KTFO.

not an answer

Anyway to answer you, Norris won 8 or 9 more fights after he defeated the washed up cokehead Leonard, Norris was more of P4P dangerous puncher then Tarver, lets not forget both Johnson and Tarver did not win 8 straight fights after knocking Jones out, both men lost 2 or 3 fights later after knocking Jones out.

false,
1) count the KOs
2) Tarver was more bigger than Jones, than Norris was bigger than Leonard

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Listen man, it's fantasy fights you can dream whatever the **** you want, I'm not a big fan of fantasy fight, we can never prove who will win cause they will never fight.

I'm not even going to waste my time with a Jones ball-washer.

No answer, huh?

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Ok that was my error, I guess boxrec is helping you out.

Duran took punches from Hagler, Barkley and many other power punchers at 154 and 160 without being knocked out, Hearns knocked Duran out cold with one punch, so now you think Tarver a few pounds heavier hits harder then Hearns.

I'm done with you, you either repeat the same rubbish or you go off topic with each of my quotes.

I'm not wasting my time arguing with a Jones butt-muncher. Astalavista, baby!

i dont need boxrec, I just know more about boxing (and understand more about boxing).

I dont need to *think* that Tarver hits harder than Hearns, it is a fact that even a ****** could get a grasp of by looking at the KO percentages at relevant weights.

I am not repeating anything, the only repetition here is "you being left with no answer", which you call "me being out of topic"

[GunStar]

lol, you cant even count, and you dont know how to round up or down... I realize that beyond your well known deficiencies in knowledge and understanding of boxing and logic, you also have big problems with 3rd grade math.

Lol, I guess you're the one having big problems with 1st grade math.
http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php...=269&cat=boxer

false,
1) count the KOs
2) Tarver was more bigger than Jones, than Norris was bigger than Leonard

Since when we judged power with KO ratio. Hagler had a better KO ratio then Hearns and he didn't have Hearns power.

You're comparing Tarver to Hearns, please stop owning yourself!

[GunStar]

i dont need boxrec, I just know more about boxing (and understand more about boxing).

I dont need to *think* that Tarver hits harder than Hearns, it is a fact that even a ****** could get a grasp of by looking at the KO percentages at relevant weights.

I am not repeating anything, the only repetition here is "you being left with no answer", which you call "me being out of topic"

No you're an idiot with a 3 years boxrec boxing knowledge. I didn't even answered most of your quotes this time, cause it will be same biased garbage from you.

You've 100 excuses for Jones, you talk out of your ass and say it's fact. Really go back to your boxrec and study a little more.

[RayLeonard82]

Roy's career would have looked a lot better if you added these opponents to his resume

Nigel Benn , Darius Michaelczewsi , Bernard Hopkins (Rematch)

Combine that with the wins over James Tony and Hopkins the 1st fight plus beating Montell Griffin who was undefeated at the time they fought and coming off beating James Toney twice. And winning the heavyweight title

Then i think he would be right there with Ray Leonard.

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Lol, I guess you're the one having big problems with 1st grade math.
http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php...=269&cat=boxer


Since when we judged power with KO ratio. Hagler had a better KO ratio then Hearns and he didn't have Hearns power.

You're comparing Tarver to Hearns, please stop owning yourself!

lol... bad at math and stubborn. no worries I will teach you

Roy 35 years and 4 months.
Ray 40 years minus 10 months minus some days.

(41-2/12)-(35+4/12) - somedays=
6 -6/12 - somedays =
5 +6 months -somedays < 5 +6 months ----> round to 5

do you get it? or do you need to get back to 3rd grade?

when the KO ratio of Hearns at 175 is low and mediocre at 168, and Tarver is good at 175, you dont need to get in details of what type of KOs it was. Tarver knocked out cold 175ers (and they were not accumulation of punches), Hearns did not.