Legacies: Roy Jones Vs. Sugar Ray Leonard

[GunStar]

who has he ko'd ?? roy jones stopped hill with a ****ing body shot. being the first to stop him.

Why are you talking about Jones, I thought we were comparing Hearns power with Tarver? The punch Hearns knocked Duran out at 160 would've also knocked Jones out.

Hitman Hearns is one of the P4P hardest punchers in the history of the sport and Tarver is not.

[THe TRiNiTY]

I don't know if I posted on this before, but...... Leonard by a landslide. You don't hold wins over Duran, Hearns, Hagler, and tons more decent fighters and lose to a guy who ducked Dariusz Michalczewski.. Point blank.

[Konstantin]

Why are you talking about Jones, I thought we were comparing Hearns power with Tarver? The punch Hearns knocked Duran out at 160 would've also knocked Jones out.

Hitman Hearns is one of the P4P hardest punchers in the history of the sport and Tarver is not.

Key word P4P.

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Leonard. He was involved in bigger fights.

[realheavyhands]

i think jones would of beat the **** out of leanord

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Well Leonard was not KTFO and he was not 35 years old against Camacho, he was 2 months shy of 41. Jones was 6 years younger!

Not that it matters, but stop twisting numbers... the age difference was less than 5 years and 6 months, hence it was definitely not 6 years.

Leonard quit, does that sound good to you? Did you see the fight? Dont you think it was one of those fights you wished never took place (Ali-Holmes, Louis-Marciano, except Camacho was past his prime, too, which makes it even worse)

Leonard was the smaller guy, heavyweight was not possible for Leonard.

but fighting a full fledge 175er would have been, instead of imposing 167 catchweight

Jones was fighting at 175 for 8 years, that was his natural weight, 8 years is longer then some careers.

No, it was not, with the exception of Griffin and McCallum (who was a jr. middle to begin with) he was systematically smaller than the other 175ers. He gave away 10 pounds to Tarver to name one. (and that was after years at 175 and the trip to HW).

Leonard moved down from 168 to 154 to fight Norris, oh wait let me make the same excuse he was weight drained. Leonard was away from boxing for 2 years cause of his ******* problem, so when he returned to fight Norris after 2 years, he was an ex cokehead.

please, dont be silly, Leonard had 2 years to shed 5 pounds... ( he never weighed 168 since he was fighting Hearns and Duran for the 168 belts)

The weight excuse is not a legit excuse, Jones won his first fight against Tarver, so he can only be weight drained in the first Tarver fight, not the second fight which was 7 months after the first fight.

Losing muscle mass affects your nervous system, but what's the point here? that Roy Jones at 35

Jones looked the same in the last 3 or 4 years, he was a little slower since the Richard Hall fight, just watch the Harding fight. So I didn't see any difference, the only difference was he was fighting Tarver which was the best fighter he fought since Toney 10 years ago.

ok, i should have read this immediately, and stop bothering with you.

You mentioned the Hearns fight and I responded!

you didnt quite get why i mentioned it then

I wanted to see you vote cause you were making excuses for Jones left and right.

easy pleased, ain't you?

Once again Leonard was away from boxing for 2 years cause of his ******* problem, so when he returned to fight Norris after 2 years, he was an ex cokehead.

so you are saying that the fighter who aged snorting is to be regarded higher than the one who aged fighting?

Leonard also missed some of his prime years cause the detached retina in his left eye, that was 3 prime years Leonard missed he came back and won the middleweight title from my favorite fighter Marvelous Marvin Hagler, then he moved up to 168 for 3 fights, then he was away for 2 more years cause of his ******* problem.

what does the retina before Hagler have to do with Leonard at 35?

These are the reasons why Leonard was washed up at the age of 35, he was inactive for years cause of detached retina in his left eye for 3 years and ******* for 2 years. BTW Leonard was never knocked the **** out!

again... a fighter who ages in the ring does not have a right to be past it but a fighter who wastes good years doing coke does, although they both suck by the time they are 35, because... coke is a good excuse?

Leonard would probably be neverbe KTFOed anyways, but fighting Norris and Camacho, was probably a better idea than fighting Tarver, who was KOing lightheavys, so the comparison.

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Jones could've also been knocked out with his chin, Just imagine getting hit clean by the Hitman Hearns, anyway not you or anyone else knows what would've happened if these guys ever fought, it's a fantasy fight and you can have your fantasies about it, that's all!

Hmm Jones dominated lightheavyweight for years after beating Hopkins and Toney, Hearns didnt do **** at lightheavy and didnt do much at 168 either, it does not take much fantasy to figure that out.

Duran's at 160 was already old, so it's not even a remotely fair matchup.

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Why are you talking about Jones, I thought we were comparing Hearns power with Tarver? The punch Hearns knocked Duran out at 160 would've also knocked Jones out.

Hitman Hearns is one of the P4P hardest punchers in the history of the sport and Tarver is not.

1) Hearns-Duran was at 154, not a 160

2) Duran was a lightweight

3) Tarver has a better KO record at 175 than Hearns does a 168

[GunStar]

Not that it matters, but stop twisting numbers... the age difference was less than 5 years and 6 months, hence it was definitely not 6 years.

Leonard quit, does that sound good to you? Did you see the fight? Dont you think it was one of those fights you wished never took place (Ali-Holmes, Louis-Marciano, except Camacho was past his prime, too, which makes it even worse)

It was 20 days shy of 6 years. So you're wrong! Correct the fight should've not happen but you can't say that about Jones/Tarver fight, Jones was still undefeated if you don't count the Griffen fight.

No, it was not, with the exception of Griffin and McCallum (who was a jr. middle to begin with) he was systematically smaller than the other 175ers. He gave away 10 pounds to Tarver to name one. (and that was after years at 175 and the trip to HW).

Say what? Jones fought 8 straight years at 175, how in the hell he was not a natural 175 pounder. Nice try, you failed again!

please, dont be silly, Leonard had 2 years to shed 5 pounds... ( he never weighed 168 since he was fighting Hearns and Duran for the 168 belts)

I was being sarcastic, I was not making any excuses for Leonard, like the way you do with Jones.

Losing muscle mass affects your nervous system, but what's the point here? that Roy Jones at 35

The point was you're making excuses for Jones again, read my quote again.

ok, i should have read this immediately, and stop bothering with you.

Likewise! Go watch some of his fight after the Hall fight, you will basicly see the same Jones that fought Tarver in the first fight, the only difference was Tarver was the best fighter he faced since Toney 10 years ago, yea Jones will look a little better against some of the cab drivers he was fighting during those years, but he was the same.

you didnt quite get why i mentioned it then

I did, but it was pretty ******ed, you were talking about Leonards achivements at the age of 33 against some all time greats, yea I know Leonard, Duran and Hearns were not in their prime when they fought for the last time, still we're talking about Hearns and Duran, not Tarver or Johnson which both were also not in prime, but they just knocked out of prime Jones out.

easy pleased, ain't you?

I know it was tough for you to vote and I know this poll is pissing you off!

so you are saying that the fighter who aged snorting is to be regarded higher than the one who aged fighting?

Now you're being ******! I was not talking about who's regarded higher, we were talking about who was more washed up at the same age. We all know who's regarded higher and that's Leonard!

what does the retina before Hagler have to do with Leonard at 35?

inactivity + *******. Do the math genius!

again... a fighter who ages in the ring does not have a right to be past it but a fighter who wastes good years doing coke does, although they both suck by the time they are 35, because... coke is a good excuse?

Look any moron who saw both Leonard and Jones at the age of 35, knew very well that Leonard was much more washed up then Jones, inactivity, *******, career threatening injury all adds up!

Leonard would probably be neverbe KTFOed anyways, but fighting Norris and Camacho, was probably a better idea than fighting Tarver, who was KOing lightheavys, so the comparison.

Once again you're going off topic, the only thing you're on topic is Leonard not being KTFO.

Anyway to answer you, Norris won 8 or 9 more fights after he defeated the washed up cokehead Leonard, Norris was more of P4P dangerous puncher then Tarver, lets not forget both Johnson and Tarver did not win 8 straight fights after knocking Jones out, both men lost 2 or 3 fights later after knocking Jones out.

[GunStar]

Hmm Jones dominated lightheavyweight for years after beating Hopkins and Toney, Hearns didnt do **** at lightheavy and didnt do much at 168 either, it does not take much fantasy to figure that out.

Duran's at 160 was already old, so it's not even a remotely fair matchup.

Listen man, it's fantasy fights you can dream whatever the **** you want, I'm not a big fan of fantasy fight, we can never prove who will win cause they will never fight.

I'm not even going to waste my time with a Jones ball-washer.