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    Sugar-Will O'-Hurricane
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    #71
    But Mosley has never given reason to have a suspect chin. In the Johnson fight, Jones had a "suspect" chin. There's a difference. Maybe Mosley is slipping, slightly, I don't see a HUGE declince in skill though like I did in Jones' fights. He wasn't GREAT like he was at WW when he fought at 154, but he wasn't ****, either.

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    • oldgringo
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      #72
      Originally posted by guru
      I am in NO WAY saying Cintron is great or a P4P contender... but look at mediocre Glenn Johnson and what he did RJ... it's not impossible for one of the biggest, hardest hitting guys at 147 to KO a 36 year old veteran who hasn't had a quality win in over 7 years....
      Glen Johnson wasn't an average fighter before Roy. He had gotten the **** end of more than one decision, but even so he had beaten Eric Harding, Thomas Ulrich and Clinton Woods. Not elite, name opponents, but three guys who had been up around the top of the light heavyweight division.

      I agree with what you're saying about Cintron/Mosley too. Mosley could struggle with a big, hard hitter like Cintron.

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      • guru
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        #73
        Originally posted by oldgringo
        Glen Johnson wasn't an average fighter before Roy. He had gotten the **** end of more than one decision, but even so he had beaten Eric Harding, Thomas Ulrich and Clinton Woods. Not elite, name opponents, but three guys who had been up around the top of the light heavyweight division.

        I agree with what you're saying about Cintron/Mosley too. Mosley could struggle with a big, hard hitter like Cintron.
        cintron is not an average fighter either, he's a 28 year old, world champ with a huge punch and the best trainer...

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        • oldgringo
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          #74
          Originally posted by guru
          cintron is not an average fighter either, he's a 28 year old, world champ with a huge punch and the best trainer...
          I agree, although Johnson had faced just about everybody out there before fighting Roy. Cintron has only been in one fight against a top Welterweight opponent.

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          • guru
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            #75
            Originally posted by C-Drone
            But Mosley has never given reason to have a suspect chin. In the Johnson fight, Jones had a "suspect" chin. There's a difference. Maybe Mosley is slipping, slightly, I don't see a HUGE declince in skill though like I did in Jones' fights. He wasn't GREAT like he was at WW when he fought at 154, but he wasn't ****, either.
            point taken, moes has a good chin , but i see it as a real possibility that cintron could KO him at 36 years old...

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              Sugar-Will O'-Hurricane
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              #76
              He has all that, and he's improved since then, but he was KILLED by a guy just.. two or three fights ago. If memory serves. I'm not saying Mosley wins, OR that he loses I'm just saying, I don't think Cintron has an easy time with him, or even a good chance. He hasn't proven much. I like Cintron, I'm just saying. His biggest fight, he lost.

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              • guru
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                #77
                4. Floyd is #1 P4P, but he is not an all time great yet

                You just can’t group him in with SRL, Hearns, Hagler, Duran and Pea yet. The simple reason is that he has not fought other top, young fighters (Chico being the only exception). Floyd’s resume right now is weak compared to the all time greats. He has some good fighters on it Zab, Castillo, Chico and a formerly great fighter, Oscar, but that list is not in the league with the greats. He has not fought another young, undefeated fighter in 7 years. However, he has an opportunity now to change all that. His resume would improve greatly if he were to give Hatton, Cotto and/or P Will their first losses. And there’s still Cintron, Shane and Margo there to be had as well. But right now, beating guys like Zab, Gatti and Baldy might make you #1 P4P, but it doesn’t make you an all time great.

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                • niceguy45
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                  #78
                  i def. agree with both thus far

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                  • Kball15
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                    #79
                    Absolutely NONE of these points are undisputable.

                    Especially the first one. Wladimir Klitschko would be EASY work for any of the top heavyweights from the 70's. It WOULD be a cakewalk and sooo many facts point to that

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                    • oldgringo
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                      #80
                      Originally posted by Kball15
                      Absolutely NONE of these points are undisputable.

                      Especially the first one. Wladimir Klitschko would be EASY work for any of the top heavyweights from the 70's. It WOULD be a cakewalk and sooo many facts point to that
                      So why would he be easy work for Kenny Norton?

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