10 truths boxing fans should accept!

[majestiC]

they didn't have all these extra weights back in the day

[squealpiggy]

they didn't have all these extra weights back in the day

Exactly. Simultaneously holding all the belts from 126 lbs - 147 lbs then would be like winning undisputed titles at 126 lbs, 130 lbs, 135 lbs, 140 lbs and 147 lbs today.

Armstrong finished his career with a record of 151-21-9.

[cortdawg25]

you could argue that oscar was 35 and semi-retired when floyd fought him... you could also say that benetiz and duran were both way better than castillo or chico... ultimately, do you think floyd's level of oppostion is on par with SRL and hearns?

Yes I do, especially for the division in which he came from. Don't get me wrong though I think they fought more tougher fights at the moment, but they didn't come thru unscathed either. As of right now, floyd looks unbeatable. he is a virtuoso and he prolly could win a a belt at 160 lbs right now. based on what he has accomplished, how he accomplished it, and the amount of time it took him to accomplish it I think makes him an all time great and at the very least mentioned in those conversations.

[passdabutter]

joe frazier would knock out wladimir

[guru]

Sorry I did not get to finish my list... I went out of town this weekend...

so here's the rest of it:

6. MMA is a skilled sport that’s here to stay and although boxing will always be around, it needs to get its act together.

MMA is not a fad, its not going away and neither is boxing. They will both co-exist together, but as PPV and TV ratings suggest MMA has passed boxing in viewers. UFC’s last PPV had two title defenses by top champions (shrek, silva) and it had its top star, Tito against an undefeated top contender. When’s the last time boxing had a PPV comparable to that? Boxing isn’t going anywhere, but it does need to get its act together. There are many PPV's today that should be on free TV(holyfield/savarese, oleg/rahman). And when we do get a PPV with a worthy fight, thats all you get, ONE worthy fight. The undercard is filled with crap.

I remember back in 1991 on my birthday, I ordered Tyson/Ruddock II on PPV. On the undercard we got Azumah Nelson and Jeff Fenech. Today there's almost no chance of getting a quality undercard like that. A few weeks ago, we got a triple header, but that's is so few and far between. We need cards like that more often.

[guru]

7. Cintron is the most dangerous guy at 147.

Notice I did not see he was the best. He's the most dangerous. He has a legit punchers chance of KO'ing anyone in the division. He’s young, athletic, very big for 147, has crushing power and Many Stewart, that’s a deadly combination. At this point I see it being very difficult for Cintron and Williams to get any of the other champs or big names to fight them.

[C.Y.]

Hatton beat Castillo and he beat Tszyu who beat the "more talented" Zab Judah, so he's beaten a couple of HOFers there... So by your rationale, he should be a HOFer.

hatton beat a washed up Castillo and Tszyu

[guru]

8. Nard’s legacy is one of the greatest in boxing history, far greater than RJ, Oscar, Holyfield or Floyd.

Nard going up to 175 and soundly beating the undisputed champ, Tarver, is one of the biggest accomplishments in boxing history. He jumped two weight classes and beat the undisputed man who beat the man. Thats much more significant than Jones going up and beating a paper champion in Ruiz. At over 40 years olds, he’s barely losing to young undefeated champs(Taylor), he's beating top P4P fighters(Winky) and destroying the undisputed 175lb champ. Not to mention his record title defenses at 160.

[EMPOROAR]

8. Nard’s legacy is one of the greatest in boxing history, far greater than RJ, Oscar, Holyfield or Floyd.

Nard going up to 175 and soundly beating the undisputed champ, Tarver, is one of the biggest accomplishments in boxing history. He jumped two weight classes and beat the undisputed man who beat the man. Thats much more significant than Jones going up and beating a paper champion in Ruiz. At over 40 years olds, he’s barely losing to young undefeated champs(Taylor), he's beating top P4P fighters(Winky) and destroying the undisputed 175lb champ. Not to mention his record title defenses at 160.

One of the greatest in boxing history? No.
Better then the guys you mentioned? For sure.

[cortdawg25]

8. Nard’s legacy is one of the greatest in boxing history, far greater than RJ, Oscar, Holyfield or Floyd.

Nard going up to 175 and soundly beating the undisputed champ, Tarver, is one of the biggest accomplishments in boxing history. He jumped two weight classes and beat the undisputed man who beat the man. Thats much more significant than Jones going up and beating a paper champion in Ruiz. At over 40 years olds, he’s barely losing to young undefeated champs(Taylor), he's beating top P4P fighters(Winky) and destroying the undisputed 175lb champ. Not to mention his record title defenses at 160.

Nard caught tarver at the right time, that significant weight drain had a drastic impact on him just like it did on Roy Jones when they 1st fought. Taylor was unproven when they fought and still is questioned even to this day. Nard defeat to the hands of taylor hurt his legacy even though I felt he won the 1st match. And That record title defenses is real suspect, their are previous thread here about that title defense. He fought a few people multiple times and a bunch of nobodies. He also has wins over a blown up Delahoya and a blown up trinidad and now a blown up Wright. He is a great fighter and things he is able to do at 42 are remarkable but he isn't better than Roy Jones , Floyd Mayweather, Oscar, and barely Holyfield.