Who Are Your Top 5 Welterweights Now?

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How can you rate DLH in the top 5 WW when he hasn't fought at that weight since 2001. Furthermore he lost to Mayweather at a higher weight, if he ever had an advantage it was at 154. So whether or not he gave up the title or whatever if you are going to put DLH at 2 then Mayweather at least has to be in your top 5.

Mayweather is retired, and if you think I'm going to rate ****ing Paul Williams and Kermit Cintron ahead of Floyd you're mistaking me for a jackass.

There's no possible way they could be considered ahead of him BUT HE'S RETIRED. RETIRED AS IN NOT CURRENTLY CONSIDERED AN ACTIVE FIGHTER.

Oscar openly stated he's back to 147 and can make the weight. That fact coupled with his past victories automatically gets him the ticket to jump in line in front of those others..........why? Because I think he'd thrash Williams, Cotto and Cintron maybe on the same night.....that's how good he is. They shouldn't be considered on his level.....that's just the way it is.

He's a superstar who's proven himself in the ring against other superstars and there's no denying that basic fact.



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Yeah that does kind of suck.

Whatever though, if you people want to call Floyd not retired then I'm forced to agree he's the best welterweight. Although it's still puzzling to me why in the hell he's being rated as the best welterweight when he's retired. There is no argument that if he isn't considered retired he's the best welterweight.

That may be the one good thing about boxing not being properly regulated because there are no formal "retirement" papers to file. So saying he's retired means nothing because there's no formal retirement process in boxing.

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Mayweather is retired, and if you think I'm going to rate ****ing Paul Williams and Kermit Cintron ahead of Floyd you're mistaking me for a jackass.

There's no possible way they could be considered ahead of him BUT HE'S RETIRED. RETIRED AS IN NOT CURRENTLY CONSIDERED AN ACTIVE FIGHTER.

Oscar openly stated he's back to 147 and can make the weight. That fact coupled with his past victories automatically gets him the ticket to jump in line in front of those others..........why? Because I think he'd thrash Williams, Cotto and Cintron maybe on the same night.....that's how good he is. They shouldn't be considered on his level.....that's just the way it is.

He's a superstar who's proven himself in the ring against other superstars and there's no denying that basic fact.

Good deal I didn't see that you considered him retired. Good then although I don't think DLH would thrash Cintron, Williams, or Cotto at this point in his career. IF he can still make 147 he is only going for one of two fights Cotto or Hatton where he thinks he has a good chance of KOing his opponent as a final hurrah. If he were to fight Cintron or Williams I think he would lose a decision or be KOd. In his prime he would kill these guys but we are not talking prime DLH.

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Good deal I didn't see that you considered him retired. Good then although I don't think DLH would thrash Cintron, Williams, or Cotto at this point in his career. IF he can still make 147 he is only going for one of two fights Cotto or Hatton where he thinks he has a good chance of KOing his opponent as a final hurrah. If he were to fight Cintron or Williams I think he would lose a decision or be KOd. In his prime he would kill these guys but we are not talking prime DLH.

Believe me, the idea that he's back at 147 should be scary for every single fighter who isn't named Floyd Mayweather, or Shane Mosley.

that's just my logic. To me nothing should be more frightening to other welterweights having to deal with a guy that holds that level of experience in big fights, and has that type of a media juggernaut surrounding him.

He makes or breaks people. And also it's just a total testament to how good a damn fighter Floyd is that he could show up in the biggest fight of his career......and win a solid decision over Oscar like he did.

Either way (Without Floyd in the Picture) Shane and Oscar are the superstars at Welterweight.



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[Amir K Shareef]

yall ppl dont need to write these storyz

[amagnin]

Believe me, the idea that he's back at 147 should be scary for every single fighter who isn't named Floyd Mayweather, or Shane Mosley.

that's just my logic. To me nothing should be more frightening to other welterweights having to deal with a guy that holds that level of experience in big fights, and has that type of a media juggernaut surrounding him.

He makes or breaks people. And also it's just a total testament to how good a damn fighter Floyd is that he could show up in the biggest fight of his career......and win a solid decision over Oscar like he did.

Either way (Without Floyd in the Picture) Shane and Oscar are the superstars at Welterweight.

DLH is good for the boxer that is fighting him but I don't think he is good for the WW division. He only fights 1-2 times a year against a carefully selected opponent and because he is such a big draw it holds up other guys from fighting each other in the hopes of potentially landing a fight with him. I just want to see the best fights not necessarily the biggest events.

[baya]

mayweather - 4 you idiots who say hes retired, get a clue.
cotto - new kid on the block who definitely warrants a No 2 seed.
mosley - 2 wins over oscar and his past accomplishments - yeah.
williams - great performance over maybe, an incredibly over-rated guy?
margarito - the jury's SO out on you still, you're quite the enigma.
cintron - you're the ONE example to substantiate margarito?? rematch needed.
odlh - campaigning as high as 160 to get back to 147 to catch a fight w/ a jr. welter - good 'ol oscar. oscar gets handled by cotto, williams, mosley he'd have to be a small favorite over cintron and margarito.

judah, quintana, collazo, julio, jcc jr., clottey, berto, gomez and the soon arrival of a better fitting hatton and you have this, the greatest landscape at welter that i've ever been alive for.

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DLH is good for the boxer that is fighting him but I don't think he is good for the WW division. He only fights 1-2 times a year against a carefully selected opponent and because he is such a big draw it holds up other guys from fighting each other in the hopes of potentially landing a fight with him. I just want to see the best fights not necessarily the biggest events.

I agree with this to an extent, I understand that logic.

But when it's said and done, if you put Oscar on the big stage against those other guys they're going to either bend or break. No in betweens.......because they'll have tons of pressure on them to succeed.

I'm looking at this from a cerebral standpoint and even Oscar said himself he can hurt people because of his stardom....and it makes sense. It's so damn easy to lose a gameplan and make huge mistakes when fighting him because he's taking them out of their comfort zone and into his.

He's been living in the spotlight for years now, others haven't. HOWEVER.....take for instance a hungry fighter like Williams.....sure he poses a huge threat because of his workrate and size....but I still don't think he has what it takes to beat Oscar flat out. I think that would be similar to the Quartey fight where Oscar came on strong in the later rounds to seal the deal. Controversial? perhaps. But I still think Oscar clearly won, and given how Williams faded against Margarito I'm kind of secure in saying that.



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[The Texican]

I don't care what anybody says. Nobody can beat Oscar at 147 except PBF for obvious reasons. Aa a matter of fact, I think he beats all the rest by TKO except Shane because that fights never gonna happen again. So here's my list...

1. The Golden Boy
2. Miguelito
3. Sugar Shane
4. The Punisher
5. Clottey

* Mayweather is retired.
** Hatton is at 140.