Do You Consider Roy Jones Jr. An All Time Great?

[kayjay]

that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. so guys not blessed with power are automatically below guys that have it? well, at least you can admit Mayweather > Pernell Whitaker with a comment like that.

They're not 'automatically' below guys with power. How would that follow? But a knockout is better than a decision, other things being equal. And not having power is a weakness, like not having speed is a weakness. Fighters can overcome either one, but you still take it into account when you assess them.

[niceguy45]

for me it's 50-50....roy is very talented and has a lot of boxing skills,
the years he was dominant there were no competition....he was fighting by himself just a showcase for the viewing public.....just for that it takes a lot to do that to be great at boxing, but IMO im leaning more to; him not being an ATG....Roy Jones Jr is a heavy name that will be remembered but it takes more to be an ATG

[oldgringo]

Roy was one of the best fighters ever.

Regardless of circumstance, Roy beat better fighters than he gets credit for. I believe he beat Hopkins, Castro and Malinga inside of his first 22/23 fights while winning a vacant title. Then he goes on to beat Toney, McCallum, Harding, Tarver, Hill, Johnson, and I'm sure I'm forgetting others. He didn't only beat these guys, he clearly showed himself to be head and shoulders above the, (outside of Tarver obviously). My only knock on Roys career is the failure to fight Dariusz Michalczewski.

[DiegoFuego]

Mayweather just beat De La Hoya at 154lbs. DLH has been considered the best pound for pound fighter in the world before. What has Jones done comparable to that? Beat up Ruiz? Yeah, that's what you call handpicked. He beat up a weight drained Toney who should have been fighting at Cruiserweight. Light heavy at the least. Yeah, Toney was probably #1 in the world then, but he was in no condition to fight Roy, who knew it. If you even are aware of the circumstances, Toney issued Jones and ultimatum to fight him at super middle or he would go up to light heavy. Toney went into preparations to fight as a light heavy and suddenly Roy accepts the fight. That's just BS. Toney was a sucker for money and shouldn't have fought.

Your argument is weak kayjay. Mayweather didn't just beat Corrales and Castillo. He stopped Chavez (something Morales couldn't do three years later). He smashed Gatti, who was on a nice streak, in better fashion that Roy smashed a lot of his bum opponents that were KOs waiting to happen. How many times was Roy going the distance before the opponent's corner, for no explicable reason, stopped the fight in the 10th or 11th round? Is it Mayweather's fault if corners don't stop fights late today like they did for Roy?

Like I said, your argument is full of holes, but I can shoot more.

[DiegoFuego]

They're not 'automatically' below guys with power. How would that follow? But a knockout is better than a decision, other things being equal. And not having power is a weakness, like not having speed is a weakness. Fighters can overcome either one, but you still take it into account when you assess them.

so Pernell Whitaker is a flawed fighter with his pathetic 17 knockouts, right? Go ahead and spin your way out of this one, spider-man.

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[kayjay]

so Pernell Whitaker is a flawed fighter with his pathetic 17 knockouts, right? Go ahead and spin your way out of this one, spider-man.

Of course he's flawed. Who isn't flawed? Did you consider Pernell perfect? Pernell's a great fighter but his lack of power is a huge strike against him.

[DiegoFuego]

Of course he's flawed. Who isn't flawed? Did you consider Pernell perfect? Pernell's a great fighter but his lack of power is a huge strike against him.

I consider Pernell an all time great no doubt.

But I also consider Mayweather the more complete and better fighter.

Do you also knock Jones for never displaying any defense other than covering up on the ropes?

[DiegoFuego]

All you've managed to show me, kayjay, is that you prefer offense to defense so you rank Jones higher than Mayweather. Mayweather is a blend of Jones and Whitaker more so than anybody else I can think of, so that makes him better than both to me. Then we go to accomplishments, and Mayweather takes the cake for sure.

Why don't you just watch UFC?

[kayjay]

I consider Pernell an all time great no doubt.

But I also consider Mayweather the more complete and better fighter.

Do you also knock Jones for never displaying any defense other than covering up on the ropes?

What do you mean by 'knock'? Is the fact that his defense wasn't technically sound like Floyd's a strike against him? It sure is. It doesn't mean he isn't great, but it means he might not be as good as some other guys.

Everybody has a weakness. Roberto Duran had weaknesses, as did Ray Leonard and Muhammed Ali.