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  • #51
    Originally posted by SquareCircle View Post
    Well, obviously I'm not the only one who thinks you suck Floyd's **** since you haven't pointed out anything specific about what you disagree with. You've only called me a hater when clearly I'm not hating on the man... shrug
    no, the jackass welter skelter who put that comment under my username couldn't argue against me with any decent points, so instead he resorted to name calling and discredting floyd's success. just because you say something decent about mayweather doesn't make your argument respectable because calling a man something positive but then following it up with negatives takes away from a decent argument. i'llgive you this, you explained why you thought cotto would win, and that was respectable, but it seems like you really haven't watched floyd's fights except the oscar/floyd fight.

    cotto would lose imo because when he gets hit, he gets sloppy. he did against corley, he did against torres. zab stopped cotto in his tracks, and even though cotto recovered well from it, he left himself vulnerable to shots that zab didn't take. floyd mayweather is the master of picking effective shots. his timing is unparallel to any fighter today. he knows when to punch. cotto is a great pressure fighter, but floyd mayweather knows how adjust to pressure fighters, and this isn't the same floyd from 2001, you people need to understand this. floyd mayweather is faster than cotto, we all know, and goes to the body very well, better than cotto, cotto just has more power and gets relentless, but floyd chops you down with hi sbody shots. cotto is an aggressive fighter, but that plays into floyd's style because he fights best when you bring the fight to him. he's methodical with this part of his craft. cotto would have to throw a lot of punches to even stay in the fight with mayweather, but i don't see him staying in the fight, because floyd knows how to throw you off of your game. this is why he is the smartest fighter in boxing today. he's a technician in the ring, and his physical attributes keep him doing this throughout 12 rounds. cotto, against sosa pressured a lot, but when sosa went to his body, cotto got sloppy. floyd has great ring generalship and knows where he is at all times, which is why he would tag cotto to the body all night, because cotto gets sloppy when he gets frustrated, he just finds a way back into his element. with mayweather, he fights better under pressure. many people use the 1st castillo fight too much to make their arguments. this wasn't a blueprint, which is why castillo wasn't robbed. castillo pressured floyd a lot in their fight, but floyd countered and the fight was at his pace, which was why he won, although it was a close fight.

    cotto walks forward at all times, and he never goes back unless he is caught with a fast punch that has authority with it. he did against paulie and judah. mayweather is fast, but is also economical with his punch output which is something cotto is not. cotto misses a lot of punches, floyd's accuracy is high in most of his fights. why? and why doesn't he have to throw 100 punches a round? because of his ring generaliship. this is why cotto would have such a hard time with floyd. floyd can fight off of the ropes, in the middle of the ring, backing up, or coming forward. this is how he trains. he covers all bases, and cotto doesn't fight good backing up or off of the ropes. mayweather tagged oscar with 2 perfectly times counter right hands off of the ropes, and cotto, while fast for his size, is not faster than de la hoya.

    cotto's timing is not that effective, it's his relentless pressure and guts to take hits, but mayweather is too good for him. he adjusts too well for cotto, which is why he has a lot off stamina in the later rounds because he knows how to adjust and control the pace of the fight. cotto does not know. cotto can be reckless at times, and being reckless against mayweather is susicide. cotto would have to switch stances and box unorthodox all nigh to have a chance of beating floyd, and i don't think he can do this. his power means nothing if he cannot land effecitvely, and floyd does have a good chin, he spars with middleweights people, hello? cotto's size and power won't do much unless he can land them very effectively, and against floyd, he won't be able to imo.

    one more thing before i wrap up here, cotto would have to taste counter right hands by floyd to land his shots also. but, what you people don't know is that floyd can also counter with an uppercut and a left hook, which he would use all night against cotto, trust me.

    so, this is how i see the fight, and i'm usually right with my predictions about a mayweather fight, this one wouldn't be any different, guarantee you all.

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    • #52
      Originally posted by SquareCircle View Post
      Wright and Hopkins aren't pressure fighters and Ouma is a volume puncher who's weaker than Cotto, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I definately do not agree. I thought you were going to say something along the lines of Paciauo or Darchinyan ;p

      The thing is Cotto doesn't let you escape the corner. He hits hard enough to earn respect so his opponents tend to move away and not stand and trade. That's why he's adept at cutting it off because he's been doing it his whole career.
      Yep, bit like tyson before him, when he finds his match in strengh, the one guy he cant push around, he will be in trouble. He can't fight going back and his chin is a mess.

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      • #53
        replying to the subject;
        1. cotto has what it takes to win (real balls)
        2. pbf is concerned about his undefeated record
        3. does not want to end his career on a bad note

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        • #54
          Miguel will get his beating soon. Then you will ***** about how Floyd is ducking Mosley and discredit his win over Cotto, Mosley will get his beating soon, Then you will ***** about how he is ducking Margarito and discredit his win over Mosley, just like you did against DLH.

          The bitching will never stop, Fact is none of your favourite fighters have accomplished what floyd has, he started his career as a super featherweight and now he is fighting 4 weight classes above his natural weight and still beating guys, if this is not impressive then you should watch some gatti wars and touch yourself over it.

          My point is the haters will remain haters and wont give floyd any credit for wins, you will say Cotto was too green, had no experience, had bad defense, then say Mosley is old, etc etc, Margarito throws wide punches, bad defense, **** skills. Its amazing keep making those excuses while we see your favourite fighter lose everytime which will create more hate for Floyd from you guys.

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          • #55
            Originally posted by niceguy45 View Post
            replying to the subject;
            1. cotto has what it takes to win (real balls)
            2. pbf is concerned about his undefeated record
            3. does not want to end his career on a bad note
            1. when floyd beats him i dont want to hear any excuses
            2. Every fighter is concerned about their undefeated record
            3. name one fighter that wants to end their career on a bad note

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            • #56
              Originally posted by SquareCircle View Post
              1. He won't be able to tie up Miguel like he did Oscar. You can't clinch a guy who has that much physical strength. He won't be able to tie up Miguel when he gets in close, or on the ropes. Roger's main gameplan if Floyd is having trouble on the ropes is, 'Tie your man up'...With that element of their plan thrown to the wayside, what will he do to make up for it?

              2. If he were to fight Miguel, he would be going up against one of the best fighters to ever cut off the ring. Definately the best pressure fighter he's ever faced, and the best at cutting off the ring, would be Miguel Cotto. The fact that he's an expert at cutting off the ring, and un-clinchable, makes him a not-so-promising opponent. Floyd knows all this.

              3. Miguel is at his peak. This is the best version of him we've ever seen...

              (Lowers gloves)Take ya best shot, flame away Mayweather huggers.

              While I agree that this would be a pretty tough fight for Floyd, I do think he would win, and win decisively.

              Miguel Cotto is very good at cutting off the ring, although a prime Castillo probably edges Cotto in that regard. Sure Mayweather had trouble with Castillo in the first fight, but you're forgetting that Mayweather was 24 years old. Mayweather is a lot smarter and a hell of a lot more experienced than he was back then, and despite fighting with a torn left shoulder rotator cuff. He learned a lot from that first fight, and proved it by absolutely dominating Castillo in an immediate rematch.

              Listen as good as Cotto is at cutting off the ring, you forget that Mayweather is even better at moving around the ring. Floyd has exceptional Ring Generalmanship, and a cunning ability to control the pace of the fight. There is no one in boxing that is good enough to pin and trap Mayweather and score consistently throughout a fight and win.

              Floyd would keep Cotto at the end of his jab, and feed Cotto lead righthands (probably the best punch in boxing) all night long. Floyd would score with 1-2 combinations, while Cotto would be for the most part, hitting nothing but air or glove, or shoulder.

              Though I say this would be an exciting fight for the most part, because it would be ****** to deny that Cotto wouldn't have his moments in this fight, but there simply wouldn't be enough of them as Mayweather out boxes him thoroughly en route to a 8-4,8-4,9-3 UD.

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              • #57
                Originally posted by Lethal View Post
                Yea I love boxing. I love both sports, but I'm here to talk about boxing, not MMA. That's why I aint really in the MMA section here. I'm here to talk about boxing.
                Take all those gifs out of your sig son. It just makes **** load slow. Everyone has seen it all anyway. Put it on your ******* or somethin.

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                • #58
                  Originally posted by pbftxrs316 View Post
                  cotto would lose imo because when he gets hit, he gets sloppy. he did against corley, he did against torres. zab stopped cotto in his tracks, and even though cotto recovered well from it, he left himself vulnerable to shots that zab didn't take. floyd mayweather is the master of picking effective shots. his timing is unparallel to any fighter today. he knows when to punch. cotto is a great pressure fighter, but floyd mayweather knows how adjust to pressure fighters,
                  Alright, with Miguel being the best pressure fighter Floyd has ever faced, how can you be so sure that Floyd's speed and mastery of effective punching will save him? Cotto's alot better than Castillo, and that's the best pressure fighter Floyd's faced. Judah is actually a little better but since his stamina is ****, he's worse than Castillo who's stamina improves as a fight progresses.

                  Originally posted by pbftxrs316 View Post
                  and this isn't the same floyd from 2001, you people need to understand this. floyd mayweather is faster than cotto, we all know, and goes to the body very well, better than cotto, cotto just has more power and gets relentless, but floyd chops you down with hi sbody shots. cotto is an aggressive fighter, but that plays into floyd's style because he fights best when you bring the fight to him. he's methodical with this part of his craft. cotto would have to throw a lot of punches to even stay in the fight with mayweather, but i don't see him staying in the fight, because floyd knows how to throw you off of your game. this is why he is the smartest fighter in boxing today. he's a technician in the ring, and his physical attributes keep him doing this throughout 12 rounds. cotto, against sosa pressured a lot, but when sosa went to his body, cotto got sloppy. floyd has great ring generalship and knows where he is at all times, which is why he would tag cotto to the body all night, because cotto gets sloppy when he gets frustrated, he just finds a way back into his element. with mayweather, he fights better under pressure. many people use the 1st castillo fight too much to make their arguments. this wasn't a blueprint, which is why castillo wasn't robbed. castillo pressured floyd a lot in their fight, but floyd countered and the fight was at his pace, which was why he won, although it was a close fight.

                  cotto walks forward at all times, and he never goes back unless he is caught with a fast punch that has authority with it. he did against paulie and judah. mayweather is fast, but is also economical with his punch output which is something cotto is not. cotto misses a lot of punches, floyd's accuracy is high in most of his fights. why? and why doesn't he have to throw 100 punches a round? because of his ring generaliship. this is why cotto would have such a hard time with floyd. floyd can fight off of the ropes, in the middle of the ring, backing up, or coming forward. this is how he trains. he covers all bases, and cotto doesn't fight good backing up or off of the ropes. mayweather tagged oscar with 2 perfectly times counter right hands off of the ropes, and cotto, while fast for his size, is not faster than de la hoya.
                  Floyd fought guys alot weaker than Cotto and De La Hoya off the ropes...He showed his weakness in forcing a clinch everytime DLH pressured him on the ropes, since he won't be able to clinch with Miguel, do you really think he'll just run away and potshot without eating one or two heavy body punches?

                  Cotto wouldn't be the one backing up if he fought Mayweather. Cotto has far more physical strength than an old DLH. Making the comparison of what DLH did vs Floyd, being what Cotto would do, void, since they're two completely different fighters with different styles.

                  Originally posted by pbftxrs316 View Post
                  cotto's timing is not that effective, it's his relentless pressure and guts to take hits, but mayweather is too good for him. he adjusts too well for cotto, which is why he has a lot off stamina in the later rounds because he knows how to adjust and control the pace of the fight. cotto does not know. cotto can be reckless at times, and being reckless against mayweather is susicide. cotto would have to switch stances and box unorthodox all nigh to have a chance of beating floyd, and i don't think he can do this. his power means nothing if he cannot land effecitvely, and floyd does have a good chin, he spars with middleweights people, hello? cotto's size and power won't do much unless he can land them very effectively, and against floyd, he won't be able to imo.

                  one more thing before i wrap up here, cotto would have to taste counter right hands by floyd to land his shots also. but, what you people don't know is that floyd can also counter with an uppercut and a left hook, which he would use all night against cotto, trust me.

                  so, this is how i see the fight, and i'm usually right with my predictions about a mayweather fight, this one wouldn't be any different, guarantee you all.
                  Pretty easy to always bet on the undefeated guy who doesn't get hit. You made a better argument than I thought you would. You have to keep in mind that Corely put Floyd in survival mode, if Corely had any finishing skills whatsoever, he would have taken Floyd out. Lucky for Mayweather, Corely isn't a good finisher. What would a relentless Cotto do to Pretty Boy if he actually rung his bell like the lesser skilled Corely managed to do?

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                  • #59
                    Originally posted by SquareCircle View Post
                    Wright and Hopkins aren't pressure fighters and Ouma is a volume puncher who's weaker than Cotto, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I definately do not agree. I thought you were going to say something along the lines of Paciauo or Darchinyan ;p

                    The thing is Cotto doesn't let you escape the corner. He hits hard enough to earn respect so his opponents tend to move away and not stand and trade. That's why he's adept at cutting it off because he's been doing it his whole career.
                    Wright isn't a pressure for sure, but Hopkins can and has in the past. I was answering the part of your question in regards to cutting off the ring. ouma is a volume puncher and the most important part of pressuring is throwing punches so i would say he is a better or equal pressure fighter. as far as weaker than cotto, i don't think so. Cotto is not that strong, he walked thru judah and now he is Superman or the Hulk? Cotto doesn't have the strenght of a MW, but he does punch hard which causes damage but not devastating.

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                    • #60
                      Originally posted by Allucard View Post
                      Yep, bit like tyson before him, when he finds his match in strengh, the one guy he cant push around, he will be in trouble. He can't fight going back and his chin is a mess.
                      Do you think Floyd is Miguel's match in strength and has the potential to push him around?

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