Floyd is not better than Sugar ray leonard.

[Cletus Funk]

I could give a **** about a couple of pounds here and there. Fact is they've both fought through the same divisions.

Nobody claims Lalonde to be his finest hour so you really shouldn't get so hung up on it, and Lalonde was still closer to his natural weight than SRL. BTW, nobody forced him to take the fight on those terms.

"Let's fight an old welter at 168"??? WTF was Leonard then? LOL.

It's Ray's fault that Hearns gassed out, is it? I guess you spent a good part of the early 90s screaming for a Toney v Nunn rematch then. Pretty hard to rematch him with a detached retina anyway, don't you think? Or would you not have given him the luxury of an easy defense after the hardest fight of his life in the first place?

Hagler I'll admit was a bit of a ***** move and a smash and grab, but he didn't exactly go into the fight in ideal circumstances and he did say from the start that he was coming back for 1 fight only. You did know that, right?

He's hardly the 1st fighter to retire and comeback either, and it's not like he jumped in the ring with someone else 6 months down the line. And let's face it - it was ****ing Marvin Hagler, not JLC.

Who gives a **** what Duran says in an interview. He was one of my fave fighters but you don't get to call any shots if you quit.

same as floyd my ass, DLH is a welter and not a small one. Floyd is a lightweight, if you dont agree I will start telling you who fought at what weight and when. (and throw in that Oscar NEVER made at 130 24 hours before a fight...)
Lalonde was a no name lightheavy who had to weigh in at 167 under the smw limit.



lol

not quite, you are mistaking cause and effect

Hagler asks for rematch
Leonard says "no no I am retired"
Hagler retires
Leonard comes back...



are you kidding me?

SRL knocked out Hearns behind on points, when Hearns ran out of gas. SRL was getting outboxed. A rematch would have beeen big. As it is often the case with Leonard... mad respect for what he did in the ring, but one ***** move after the other outside.

in 1989 there were better foes than Hearns, but Leonard chose Hearns nonetheless.
Usual Leonard, the McCallum and Nunn of this world are at 154-160, lets fight an old former welter at 168...



Ask Duran if he wanted a rematch you might even find an interview on youtube.

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I could give a **** about a couple of pounds here and there. Fact is they've both fought through the same divisions.

a couple of pounds my bollocks.

fact is when they were the same age, Oscar was a welter and Floyd a lightweight.

fact is where they were in the same ring they were 15 pounds apart.

Nobody claims Lalonde to be his finest hour so you really shouldn't get so hung up on it, and Lalonde was still closer to his natural weight than SRL. BTW, nobody forced him to take the fight on those terms.

Ray Leonard in his 5th weight class fought a dehydrated nobody in Lalonde, Floyd Mayweather fought a legit hall of famer.

"Let's fight an old welter at 168"??? WTF was Leonard then? LOL.

It's Ray's fault that Hearns gassed out, is it? I guess you spent a good part of the early 90s screaming for a Toney v Nunn rematch then. Pretty hard to rematch him with a detached retina anyway, don't you think? Or would you not have given him the luxury of an easy defense after the hardest fight of his life in the first place?

of course... it's not ray's fault for hearns gassing out, it is his fault for making sure he did not share the same ring with hearns. you said "he knocked him out, why rematch him? hmm.. maybe because he was losing on the cards, while being outboxed. normally that would be a good reason for a rematch... not to you apparently

Leonard's eye was NOT injured in the Hearns fight. He could have given him an immediate rematch, but he did not.

Give him the luxury... why? Duran rematched him straight away. Mayweather rematched Castillo straight away and so on... Leonard did not.

Hagler I'll admit was a bit of a ***** move and a smash and grab, but he didn't exactly go into the fight in ideal circumstances and he did say from the start that he was coming back for 1 fight only. You did know that, right?

He's hardly the 1st fighter to retire and comeback either, and it's not like he jumped in the ring with someone else 6 months down the line. And let's face it - it was ****ing Marvin Hagler, not JLC.

so you agree it was a ***** move, one that pbf has yet to pull

Who gives a **** what Duran says in an interview. He was one of my fave fighters but you don't get to call any shots if you quit.

you do know that Duran took the fight on short notice, took laxatives to lose weight and so on...

FINALLY
dont give me that bullcrap on "they did not have to accept those conditions (duran, hagler, lalonde)"

do you want to celebrate a fighter or a ****ing business man buying his way in fights with his olympic smile, ***** move after ***** move? I am fine either way, but let's be clear about it...

[The Troll]

Obviously not but you have to realize that if you make theads like this your going to get people that will take the opposition no matter how ridiculous. Especially Floyd's Fan's, very dillusional.

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Obviously not but you have to realize that if you make theads like this your going to get people that will take the opposition no matter how ridiculous. Especially Floyd's Fan's, very dillusional.

look I dont mind if someone tells me: PBF is not Duran or Robinson.

Or even lesser boxers.

But Leonard pulled so much ****, that it is ridiculous to point him out as a stereotypical "boxing great"

the master of the flurry to steal rounds

the master of winning fights on contracts

[The Troll]

look I dont mind if someone tells me: PBF is not Duran or Robinson.

Or even lesser boxers.

But Leonard pulled so much ****, that it is ridiculous to point him out as a stereotypical "boxing great"

the master of the flurry to steal rounds

the master of winning fights on contracts

Leonard could fight like the ****ens if he had too, Mayweather has alot of flash, technical skills, physical attributes, end of the day he's just not the package Leonard was.

and Leonard's superior strength combined comparable speed, accuracy, alot more power.

[Nate Dogg]

the difference is... leonard didnt duck any1 he created his legecy instead of protecting it

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the difference is... leonard didnt duck any1 he created his legecy instead of protecting it

lol it is exacly bull**** like this which drives me crazy

Leonard ducked all rematches he could possibly duck, yet I have to read he did not protect his legacy.

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Leonard could fight like the ****ens if he had too, Mayweather has alot of flash, technical skills, physical attributes, end of the day he's just not the package Leonard was.

and Leonard's superior strength combined comparable speed, accuracy, alot more power.

that's your opinion. I respect it, I dont really care about it.
mostly i have no problem, you think srl is better in the ring than pbf, fine. IN THE RING. but I am here reading how great he was and how he didnt duck nobody. bull****.

[Cletus Funk]

Nice use of the word bollocks. We'll make a Limey out of you yet. Nice swerve on a couple of points too.

You've made it clear on here in the past that you have an unhealthy distaste for SRL and I'm not going to be the medium for you to pedantically vent your spleen about him for much longer, so get it in while you can.

Talk about 15 pounds all you like. Oscar was a very good fighter and still had a little left, I'll admit. It was a fairly brave move by Floyd to fight him but let's not confuse it with the real thing, we ARE NOT talking a prime DLH by any ****ing stretch and Floyd did not look good in the fight to many observers, me included. And let's not forget that old favourite of your's either - Floyd only won because DLH gassed out in the last 3rd of the fight.

SRL rematched Hearns, didn't he? He fought Duran a 3rd time, didn't he? Who the **** are you to demand when and where the fights happen or to hold that against him? He certainly didn't do himself any real favours by delaying it. You must have had a hissy-fit in between the MAB / Morales fights when they were fighting other people.

Thanks, but I knew his eye wasn't injured in the 1st Hearns fight. Hence my point about the easy defence.

And yes, I know all about the build up to Duran 2 and the many, many, many urban legends surrounding it.

I'll give you that "bullcrap" all day long buddy, I couldn't care less if you want to hear it or not. Nobody forced these guys to make concessions. They agreed to them for one reason and one reason only - greed, so **** 'em, I say.

The fact is there's not a thing that Floyd's done that bares comparison to Leonard's career apart from the accumulation of belts. Ray fought at a whole different level, full stop.

a couple of pounds my bollocks.

fact is when they were the same age, Oscar was a welter and Floyd a lightweight.

fact is where they were in the same ring they were 15 pounds apart.



Ray Leonard in his 5th weight class fought a dehydrated nobody in Lalonde, Floyd Mayweather fought a legit hall of famer.



of course... it's not ray's fault for hearns gassing out, it is his fault for making sure he did not share the same ring with hearns. you said "he knocked him out, why rematch him? hmm.. maybe because he was losing on the cards, while being outboxed. normally that would be a good reason for a rematch... not to you apparently

Leonard's eye was NOT injured in the Hearns fight. He could have given him an immediate rematch, but he did not.

Give him the luxury... why? Duran rematched him straight away. Mayweather rematched Castillo straight away and so on... Leonard did not.



so you agree it was a ***** move, one that pbf has yet to pull



you do know that Duran took the fight on short notice, took laxatives to lose weight and so on...

FINALLY
dont give me that bullcrap on "they did not have to accept those conditions (duran, hagler, lalonde)"

do you want to celebrate a fighter or a ****ing business man buying his way in fights with his olympic smile, ***** move after ***** move? I am fine either way, but let's be clear about it...

[me2007]

FLoyd 'i beat up women' mayweather isn`t anywhere near the level of SRL. That is crazy talk. Mayweather is a nobody with a boring style. He's fought nobodies and old men his entire career.

i want everyone to remember that Mayweathers record is 37 bores and 1 loss.