5 Titles in 5 Divisions or 20 Straight Title Defenses?

[Hydro]

Depends on the opposition and circumstances.

Hopkins and Calzaghe had their share of weak opposition, but Hopkins also FULLY unified and dominated undefeated Felix Trinidad.

Anyway, Floyd is definitely more accomplished than Calzaghe. Hopkins is another argument though.

[Chipper]

In reply to the thread poster.

Get off Mayweathers nuts.

[wmute]

I voted even, because numbers dont tell the story.

I personally care only about the lineal title.

For this reason many "records" dont mean ****

In my book Floyd is a 3 division champion (130, 135, 147) and nothing changes on may 5 because Oscar is not the man at 154 (no one is after winky vacated, I would personally pick spinks, but it is just my personal pick, not a fact dictated by unifications or anything).

Oscar is most certainly a 3 division champ (140, 147, 154) and not a 6 division champion, and so on.

In my book Valuev and Calzaghe have 0 defenses, because they did not win their belt from the champ.

Hopkins reign start with Holmes or Trinidad, not Marcado.

Roy Jones was never the man in any division he fought in (not even 175).

Trinidad won the welterweight title from De La Hoya and made a grand total of 0 defenses.

If the threadstarter is comparing pbf's career with jc (are you?), its pbf hands down

[Hydro]

I voted even, because numbers dont tell the story.

I personally care only about the lineal title.

For this reason many "records" dont mean ****

In my book Floyd is a 3 division champion (130, 135, 147) and nothing changes on may 5 because Oscar is not the man at 154 (no one is after winky vacated, I would personally pick spinks, but it is just my personal pick, not a fact dictated by unifications or anything).

Oscar is most certainly a 3 division champ (140, 147, 154) and not a 6 division champion, and so on.

In my book Valuev and Calzaghe have 0 defenses, because they did not win their belt from the champ.

Hopkins reign start with Holmes or Trinidad, not Marcado.

Roy Jones was never the man in any division he fought in (not even 175).

Trinidad won the welterweight title from De La Hoya and made a grand total of 0 defenses.

If the threadstarter is comparing pbf's career with jc (are you?), its pbf hands down

Mayweather and Hopkins is a better argument.

[BigmoneyMikes]

Its even for me. It depends on the opposition in the 20 deffence and of the belt holders in each divisions.

[kayjay]

You can't say one is intrinsically better or harder, and it all depends on who your opponents are. To take one example, Mayweather has not fought the best at any class above 135, so his 'five divisions' will not be nearly equal to either Hopkins or Calzaghe's string of defenses.

[kayjay]

To take another example, Roberto Duran was a lightweight champ who fought Ray Leonard at Welter, Hearns at 154, and Hagler at middle. If someone were to move up and beat that kind of competition (and of course Duran didn't), then we could begin talk of g.o.a.t. status.

[Verstyle]

u can fight 20bums in a row. to jump weight classes and still win titles is incredible.

[cortdawg25]

You can't say one is intrinsically better or harder, and it all depends on who your opponents are. To take one example, Mayweather has not fought the best at any class above 135, so his 'five divisions' will not be nearly equal to either Hopkins or Calzaghe's string of defenses.

If he didn't fight the best, then who are these best? And calzaghe hasn't fought the best in ANY division, so what are you saying?

[BigmoneyMikes]

You can't say one is intrinsically better or harder, and it all depends on who your opponents are. To take one example, Mayweather has not fought the best at any class above 135, so his 'five divisions' will not be nearly equal to either Hopkins or Calzaghe's string of defenses.

actually PBF is the rightfull man at 147. he beat the former unified champ(Judah) then beat the current unified champ(Baldomir)