Why is it one rule for Americans and one rule for everyone else?

[JWL]

Because America is the mecca of boxing. Either Las Vegas or Madison Square Garden.

Yup! That's just the way it is.

[Dimebar]

Utter ****. Total nonsense. I've been to many Calzaghe fights in England and never have I seen him booed out of the ring. And those I wasnt at live I watched on the TV. Sorry but you're talking out of your arse.

And Welsh is spoken in North Wales but in South Wales, where Calzaghe's from, it's hardly spoken at all.

And the English don't really hate the Welsh, it's like a friendly rivalry more than a hate. Welsh teams play in the English premiership, we have the England and Wales cricket board, you can drive in and out of the country and not notice you've left. They are different countries, but Calzaghe fighting in England doesn't count as him fighting abroad.

Now, him fighting in Denmark and Germany - THAT counts as him fighting abroad.

Liar.

I watched Calzaghe at the Whitchurch Leisure Centre on Glenn Catley undercards and joined in with the "Sheep, sheep, sheep-shagger" chants.

When he fought Robin Reid he was boo'd in and out of the ring and when he fought David Starie the fight was boo'd non-stop because it was so **** - don't you remember?? ****ing hell.

[Dimebar]

That's just not true. They are not completely separate nations

Well then that's news to me.

[Guest]

That's a fair point, but the point of my post was not about money. It was about the respect someone gets for their wins. My point is that you should get just as much credit for beating a Tszyu, a Lacy or a Marquez in Manchester or Indonesia as you would were you to beat them in Madison Square Gardens.

I understand why people want to go there - for the money. That's fair enough. But if the money's just as good over here and if the fighters are just as good, then where the fight is held shouldnt come into it.

You can spin it however you want, but it all comes back to money...

If the UK or any other country could provide the type of purses that fighters get in the US, then of course all of the top fighters would choose to fight there. I mean, the biggest draws in the UK make $3 million or so tops in their backyard. That's peanuts compared to the money Tyson and DLH make for fights...

[Hitman932]

You can spin it however you want, but it all comes back to money...

If the UK or any other country could provide the type of purses that fighters get in the US, then of course all of the top fighters would choose to fight there. I mean, the biggest draws in the UK make $3 million or so tops in their backyard. That's peanuts compared to the money Tyson and DLH make for fights...

i cant believe this crybaby thread and all the crybabies agreeing with it..

whats wrong with fighitng strictly in the UK????

compared to fighting strictly in the USA????

what an easy question to answer....

the United Kingdom is 92,000 sq miles

the state of texas is 260,000 sq miles

texas is 3 times the size on the entire UK

fighting stricly in the UK would be the equivalent of a fighter in the USA who refused to fight anywhere outside of southwest texas...

furthermore.... jeff lacy, shannon briggs dont have a problem defending their titles overseas mccline went to switzerland, judah fought witter in Scotland ( oh wait the brits forgot about that one too) wright has fought everywhere.. i could go on.. whereas british fighters cant leave their nice little plot of land....

maybe calzaghe is afraid of cars, boats and planes?

[gixxer]

Constantly on this forum I am hearing people slating fighters like Joe Calzaghe and Chris John for staying at home and fighting rather than going to the States. But we hear virtually nothing about the fact that many US fighters NEVER fight outside of the States. This even extends to 'legends' like Roy Jones Jr, Sugar Ray Leonard, Oscar De La Hoya and Floyd Mayweather, none of whom have fought a single fight outside of the good ol' US of A. Now if you say they're not fighting in their backyard because they move around the country - well Joe Calzaghe has fought in Newcastle, Manchester, Edinburgh, Sheffield, Bristol and London, as well as having fought in Denmark and Germany (against a guy that only he had previously defeated and whom had stopped Charles Brewer) - something Roy Jones dared not do for fear of being robbed.

But it's not only Americans that feel this way. Chris John has got virtually no recognition whatsoever for his victory over Marquez apparently because it was in Indonesia. Say what you want about that fight, but it was an extremely close one. If it's unfair to expect Marquez to travel all that way why is the reverse not so?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the Americans I stated above don't deserve the recognition they've got. They were and are all great fighters. But ulitmately, why does it matter where a fight is held? If the standard of opposition is good then it shouldnt matter. Ali managed to fight all over the world and win, because he was good enough.

And if you say that in America you never get a duff decision, how's about these beauties? Oscar De La Hoya/Shane Mosley 2, Lennox Lewis/Evander Holyfield 1, Vernon Forrest/Ike Quartey, Johnny Tapia/Manuel Medina, Everett/Escalada, Kid Gavilan/Johnny Saxton, Foreman/Briggs etc etc. I could go on. Now of course there are bad decisions that happen away from the States too, but there are just as many that happen on the Strip and around the country as happen abroad.

Now, a fair criticism of Calzaghe would be that he's never fought a great fighter. That's fair enough. But to criticise him and others for WHERE they fought them is, frankly, moronic.

BECAUSE IN AMERICA IS WHERE ALL THE BEST FIGHTERS COME TO FIGHT ......................LIKE LOOK AT CHAVEZ HE DIDINT GET ANY REAL COMP OR HIS FIRST LOSS TILL HE CAME TO THE STATES

[Guest]

i cant believe this crybaby thread and all the crybabies agreeing with it..

whats wrong with fighitng strictly in the UK????

compared to fighting strictly in the USA????

what an easy question to answer....

the United Kingdom is 92,000 sq miles

the state of texas is 260,000 sq miles

texas is 3 times the size on the entire UK

fighting stricly in the UK would be the equivalent of a fighter in the USA who refused to fight anywhere outside of southwest texas...

furthermore.... jeff lacy, shannon briggs dont have a problem defending their titles overseas mccline went to switzerland, judah fought witter in Scotland ( oh wait the brits forgot about that one too) wright has fought everywhere.. i could go on.. whereas british fighters cant leave their nice little plot of land....

maybe calzaghe is afraid of cars, boats and planes?

Good point. Fighting in the UK is the equivalent of a fighter in the US who doesn't fight outside his state. And seriously, Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, Canadians, Africans, Australians, Germans, Russians etc. have no problem fighting here. It's mainly UK fighters that refuse to leave the womb...

[Dimebar]

the biggest draws in the UK make $3 million

Nigel Benn took home £1.7million after tax for the fight with Nardiello which is the highest-ever purse in Britain, outside of Lennox Lewis and Frank Bruno.

So that's around $3million and before tax around $6million. And that was without PPV money or casino money. At the same time Roy Jones for example was making buttons by comparison, and Naseem Hamed made more against Bungu than Roy Jones did against Reggie Johnson.

[Run]

It's simple.

The U.S.A. is the Mecca of Boxing. Sorry if everyone is tired of hearing that....but the biggest share of the sports superstars take place in fights here. That's just the way it is.

Even you Hatton fans are whining about this......

He even said himself he wanted to come to the States because that's what real Champions do.....they fight the best like his idol Duran did...moving from Panama.



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[Guest]

Nigel Benn took home £1.7million after tax for the fight with Nardiello which is the highest-ever purse in Britain, outside of Lennox Lewis and Frank Bruno.

So that's around $3million and before tax around $6million. And that was without PPV money or casino money. At the same time Roy Jones for example was making buttons by comparison, and Naseem Hamed made more against Bungu than Roy Jones did against Reggie Johnson.

And $6 million is 20% of $30 million that Tyson has made. DLH is making $25 million for his next fight. All you are doing is furthering the argument that all the big fights should be in America...