Why is it one rule for Americans and one rule for everyone else?

[Guest]

lol you see, this is just the typical sort of bull**** i knew i would get. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT MONEY!! The thread's not about that - besides which, Kostya Tszyu got a career best purse fighting here so that's bull**** in itself. What I am talking about is the fact that a victory in the UK or in Europe or in Australia or in Timbuctoo can and should mean just as much as a victory in the States. If a fighter fights the best in his home country then he is still the best no matter that those fights didnt happen in the States.

Here we go, though, I'm sure we'll get a whole bunch of posts telling us how America is the mecca of boxing, america is where the money is, america's the **** blah blah blah and just completely ignoring the point.

How can you just ignore money when it is what the sport revolves around? You think these guys are going to risk their lives for chump change? Money is a factor in every fight. You think Tsyzu and Lacy are going to go to the UK for the **** of it? No, they made sure they got paid well. Tsyzu took home a career high payday to fight in Manchester...

But as far as winning in your hometown, I think a fighter deserves credit no matter where he wins but it's still more impressive to win on neutral turf and especially in your opponent's backyard...

[Guest]

I didnt realise that we were talking about the mega-fights. I thought that we were talking about the fact that fighters in general (specifically title-holders perhaps) are chided for not coming over to America.

Well, I don't think people care where a paper champion fights. It's guys who are world rated, best in their division, and P4P who don't fight in the US that people have a problem with...

I have no problem with a guy making good money in his hometown, but don't try to sell me on guys like Calzaghe, John, and Wonkongjam who are considered tops in their respective divisions yet never leave the comfort of home...

[.Mik.]

But as far as winning in your hometown, I think a fighter deserves credit no matter where he wins but it's still more impressive to win on neutral turf and especially in your opponent's backyard...

Nobody is dis*****g that. I think what some people are saying is that its unfair for people to CRITICISE people for winning in their backyard (unless its an Ottke-esque scam job) rather than giving them credit...but not as much credit as they'd get for winning in neutral/opposition territory.

Calzaghe gets actual criticism for fighting in his own country, rather than the suggestion that fans would appreciate it more to see him travel. Whereas an American doing the same has his lack of travelling completely neglected, as though its a completely different thing.

[Guest]

Nobody is dis*****g that. I think what some people are saying is that its unfair for people to CRITICISE people for winning in their backyard (unless its an Ottke-esque scam job) rather than giving them credit...but not as much credit as they'd get for winning in neutral/opposition territory.

Calzaghe gets actual criticism for fighting in his own country, rather than the suggestion that fans would appreciate it more to see him travel. Whereas an American doing the same has his lack of travelling completely neglected, as though its a completely different thing.

Because fighting 2000 miles away from home isn't exactly fighting in your backyard even if you're still in the same country. It seems like foreigners can't understand that leaving your state, and sometimes just leaving your city, is akin to a Euro fighting in a neighboring country...

[.Mik.]

Thats not at all true though is it?

At the end of the day you're still within America. Distance doesnt mean a whole lot when the culture and the language bears a close resemblance.

I'm not going to try and claim that fighting in different parts of the UK are akin to fighting in a completely different country. Loyalties will change for an English fighter fighting in Scotland, or a Welsh fighter fighting in England (where Joe Calzaghe was indeed often not the favourite in a fight early in his career because he was fighting against English fighters), but its not a HUGE culture difference or anything, not at all.

But then its not a huge culture difference fighting in the Southern States of America compared to the Northern states of America. I've travelled around America, you see different shapes and sizes, different people and different cultures the same as you do anywhere (trust me, the differences between a southern English ****ney and a Northern English Geordie are just as huge as between two average Americans from different sides of the country). But the language is the same, those people could sit down for a couple of hours and have a chat.

Its an insult to claim thats the same situation as a British fighter fighting in say Germany, where the language and the culture is completely different, just because the mileage isnt as large.

[Easy-E]

Most of De La Hoya's fans are hispanic.

If Tyson was British, fought in Britain and had US TV coverage he'd make almost as much money (just wouldn't have casinos putting up most of his money).

Remember Don King was willing to split $50million for Benn-Jones, IN BRITAIN. But Jones wouldn't fight for King.

No way man.
nearly everyone is a DLH fan, I dont think theres a race discrepency.

[Run]

This is ****ing ridiculous.

Hearns v.s. Leonard
Duran v.s. Hearns
Hearns v.s. Hagler
Hagler v.s. Leonard
Lewis v.s. Tyson
De La Hoya v.s. Trinidad
Foreman v.s. Moorer
Bowe v.s. Holyfield
Arguello v.s. Pryor
M.A.B./Morales Trilogy
Barkley v.s. Duran
Taylor v.s. Chavez


Were those fights made in England? Was that the destination? Should those guys have moved straight to the U.K. so that nobody bitched at them for sitting in their native backyard of the USA? England hosted those fights right?



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[bsrizpac]

This is ****ing ridiculous.

Hearns v.s. Leonard
Duran v.s. Hearns
Hearns v.s. Hagler
Hagler v.s. Leonard
Lewis v.s. Tyson
De La Hoya v.s. Trinidad
Foreman v.s. Moorer
Bowe v.s. Holyfield
Arguello v.s. Pryor
M.A.B./Morales Trilogy
Barkley v.s. Duran
Taylor v.s. Chavez


Were those fights made in England? Was that the destination? Should those guys have moved straight to the U.K. so that nobody bitched at them for sitting in their native backyard of the USA? England hosted those fights right?

Stop it man you're making too much sense.

[Dimebar]

Chris Eubank made more money than any other fighter between 1990 and 1995 (£15million (after tax)) without stepping foot inside the US.

Not that it matters.

[El Jesus]

No mate. You're wrong. The world cup in 1994 was in the States. in 2002 it was in Korea. This is not European boxing or US boxing ITS ****ING WORLD BOXING

if your going to use that logic, then there have been a few big fights over the last 10 years that took place in the UK also. I mean, the bottom line is, the fighters themselves like Hatton/Joe C put the US on the pedestal its on, they obviously see it our way, they know fame here is something that is important in the boxing world. And what someone else said about someone in europe fighting in their own country is like an american fighter fighting in his own state, if you never leave your comfort zone, then its hard to see how mentally tough you are outside of your home state.

Anyways, i think the bottom line is that the fact that the argument comes from people OUTSIDE of america on here, and yet your own fighters say its their dream to make it big here