Why is it one rule for Americans and one rule for everyone else?

[bsrizpac]

I'm not going to say much but wow, did you just imply that the best fighter in the 70's were in the UK? Okaaaaayyy.....whatever.

And I think the football analogy is dead on. No one comes to play football in America, it's a joke here. Our players suck at it. Sure we'd like them to win but we don't get mad if Machester United players don't come and play for our crappy teams.

Same with boxing. I know this really always bothers UK fans and it's not like the UK has never produced great champs, it has...but UK fans definately are very unreasonable in some of the homerism and analysis.

I know all countries can be nationalistic about boxing, fine...but get a grip

[global_analyst]

I'm not going to say much but wow, did you just imply that the best fighter in the 70's were in the UK? Okaaaaayyy.....whatever.

And I think the football analogy is dead on. No one comes to play football in America, it's a joke here. Our players suck at it. Sure we'd like them to win but we don't get mad if Machester United players don't come and play for our crappy teams.

Same with boxing. I know this really always bothers UK fans and it's not like the UK has never produced great champs, it has...but UK fans definately are very unreasonable in some of the homerism and analysis.

I know all countries can be nationalistic about boxing, fine...but get a grip

Infact did u know that after FIFA lifted the ban on England, a few seasons after (maybe 2 seasons) Chelsea feilded a totally foreign squad as their team?. As of today there are more than 60% foreign players actively involved in the English premier league. This is one of the leagues in the world that if u are worth anything in soccer you have to participate in regardless of nationality, same applies to boxing

[.Mik.]

You can spin it however you want, but it all comes back to money...

If the UK or any other country could provide the type of purses that fighters get in the US, then of course all of the top fighters would choose to fight there. I mean, the biggest draws in the UK make $3 million or so tops in their backyard. That's peanuts compared to the money Tyson and DLH make for fights...

There arent many boxers who can make the kind of money in America that Tyson and De La Hoya do.

Those were two fairly extreme examples you used.

[global_analyst]

There arent many boxers who can make the kind of money in America that Tyson and De La Hoya do.

Those were two fairly extreme examples you used.

But they are accurate examples though

[.Mik.]

No they arent. They are extreme examples. They represent the far end of the scale, so they are hardly fair to use as an average marker, are they?

I'm not disagreeing with the point. But claiming that two of the biggest US money-makers of all time, who make more money than any current competing boxer represent the 'average boxer fighting inside the US' compared to the 'average boxer fighting inside the UK' is not a fair comparison.

[global_analyst]

No they arent. They are extreme examples. They represent the far end of the scale, so they are hardly fair to use as an average marker, are they?

I'm not disagreeing with the point. But claiming that two of the biggest US money-makers of all time, who make more money than any current competing boxer represent the 'average boxer fighting inside the US' compared to the 'average boxer fighting inside the UK' is not a fair comparison.

statistically u are right as such examples will skew the bell, but applying the confidence limit at say about 90%, it would be accurate to say so

[.Mik.]

I'm not entirely sure how accurate it is whatsover. I wouldnt disagree with it as such because I dont know many figures of boxer's purses. But I'd say that if you make it BIG in America, then yes...you will get paid more than anywhere else. But I'm not sure that's the case for everyone.

I'm sure that Hatton and Calzaghe got bigger pay-days selling out stadiums in England than they have gotten in America. Probably the likes of Benn and Eubank did too. I wouldnt even be surprised to find that Lacy coming to fight Calzaghe in England represented a bigger payday than anything he got in America. As was previously stated Kostya got his best days work in England. I have no idea about the likes of Naseem Hamed, but I'm sure he was richly rewarded when fighting in England.

Sure, nobody will have ever received the kind of paydays in England that Tyson and De La Hoya get in America. But then again, nobody else in America gets those kinds of paydays either.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Wire, I know you just want to throw out the money aspect but thats just not fair. Its all about money in boxing or any other pro sport. For the sake or argument though I will take the money aspect out of it and still prove the point.

American fighters dont have that sense of "national pride" the way other fighters do because they are fighting the majority of their fights against fellow Americans. Now when Americans fight foreigners, then I will grant you the argument.

I don't know where you live but here in the states its more about what state or city you are from because of the size of America. Its mostly about N.Y fighters vs Philly fighters. Or east coast vs west coast fighters.

If an American fights a foriegner then theres a sence of national pride and the "home field" advantage takes place. But contrary to popular belief, American fans are well schooled and dont just blindly root for the American fighter. If you come here and win, they will love you. If Hatton was to put on great shows here in the US and fight the best opposition, Americans would fall in love with him, guranteed.

By the way, other fighters that dont leave their home is Puerto Rican fighters. They love to cuddle their fighters to blown up records and hardly ever fight outside of Puerto Rico.

[Guest]

No they arent. They are extreme examples. They represent the far end of the scale, so they are hardly fair to use as an average marker, are they?

I'm not disagreeing with the point. But claiming that two of the biggest US money-makers of all time, who make more money than any current competing boxer represent the 'average boxer fighting inside the US' compared to the 'average boxer fighting inside the UK' is not a fair comparison.

My point is the most popular American fighters make a ****load more than the most popular UK fighters. I am not talking about the average fighter. We are talking about megafights, the best of the best. From what I hear, the most a UK fighter has ever been paid in the UK is $6 million that is less than Tyson and DLH pay in taxes for their purses...

[.Mik.]

I didnt realise that we were talking about the mega-fights. I thought that we were talking about the fact that fighters in general (specifically title-holders perhaps) are chided for not coming over to America.