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  • The Wire
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    Why is it one rule for Americans and one rule for everyone else?

    Constantly on this forum I am hearing people slating fighters like Joe Calzaghe and Chris John for staying at home and fighting rather than going to the States. But we hear virtually nothing about the fact that many US fighters NEVER fight outside of the States. This even extends to 'legends' like Roy Jones Jr, Sugar Ray Leonard, Oscar De La Hoya and Floyd Mayweather, none of whom have fought a single fight outside of the good ol' US of A. Now if you say they're not fighting in their backyard because they move around the country - well Joe Calzaghe has fought in Newcastle, Manchester, Edinburgh, Sheffield, Bristol and London, as well as having fought in Denmark and Germany (against a guy that only he had previously defeated and whom had stopped Charles Brewer) - something Roy Jones dared not do for fear of being robbed.

    But it's not only Americans that feel this way. Chris John has got virtually no recognition whatsoever for his victory over Marquez apparently because it was in Indonesia. Say what you want about that fight, but it was an extremely close one. If it's unfair to expect Marquez to travel all that way why is the reverse not so?

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the Americans I stated above don't deserve the recognition they've got. They were and are all great fighters. But ulitmately, why does it matter where a fight is held? If the standard of opposition is good then it shouldnt matter. Ali managed to fight all over the world and win, because he was good enough.

    And if you say that in America you never get a duff decision, how's about these beauties? Oscar De La Hoya/Shane Mosley 2, Lennox Lewis/Evander Holyfield 1, Vernon Forrest/Ike Quartey, Johnny Tapia/Manuel Medina, Everett/Escalada, Kid Gavilan/Johnny Saxton, Foreman/Briggs etc etc. I could go on. Now of course there are bad decisions that happen away from the States too, but there are just as many that happen on the Strip and around the country as happen abroad.

    Now, a fair criticism of Calzaghe would be that he's never fought a great fighter. That's fair enough. But to criticise him and others for WHERE they fought them is, frankly, moronic.
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    #2
    Good post, Wire.

    I have just one comment. The Brit posters are quick to remind us that Calzgaghe is technically fighting abroad when he fights in Manchester, Newcastle, or London. That a bit of bull****. I understand the politics and geography of your island perfectly well, so there's no need to play Anorak's beloved little joke about Americans not knowing anything about foreign countries. Manchester is not abroad for a Welshman. It's just not.

    A roughly similar comparison would be PR-U.S. Cotto is not fighting abroad in New York either.

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      Because America is the mecca of boxing. Either Las Vegas or Madison Square Garden.

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      • The Wire
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        #4
        Originally posted by kayjay
        Good post, Wire.

        I have just one comment. The Brit posters are quick to remind us that Calzgaghe is technically fighting abroad when he fights in Manchester, Newcastle, or London. That a bit of bull****. I understand the politics and geography of your island perfectly well, so there's no need to play Anorak's beloved little joke about Americans not knowing anything about foreign countries. Manchester is not abroad for a Welshman. It's just not.

        A roughly similar comparison would be PR-U.S. Cotto is not fighting abroad in New York either.
        No he's certainly not fighting abroad when he goes to England. You don't need a passport to get into England from Wales. Some would say unfortunately lol

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          I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that in order for you to make the real money & be more known in the boxing world you have to come fight in america. The boxing history is here. Also the level of competition is much greater in America then it is in the UK. Whether it's fair or not I can't answer that.

          It's just like what Kessler said on Saturday night when beig interviewed. Even though his trainer was telling him to box for the last round he wanted to go for the KO so he can show HBO & America that he's the future of that division.

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          • The Wire
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            #6
            Originally posted by kayjay
            Good post, Wire.
            Oh, and thanks!!

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            • SnoopySmurf
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              Think of it this way: if a German known to be the greatest basketball player in Europe also claims to be the greatest in the world....where else can he prove it but in the US?

              Lennox Lewis knew this and took the belts. Naseem Hamed as well. Undesputed champions. And when they defended their titles, they did it here in the US. Same with Mexicans. Countless champs from outside of the US come here to show the world they are the best.

              Sven Ottke? Who?

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                If you want to be a great fighter, you go to America.

                It's Calzaghe's dream to fight at Madison Square Garden or Las Vegas, but unforunately nobody has been willing to fight him yet (12 years and counting).

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by kayjay
                  Good post, Wire.

                  I have just one comment. The Brit posters are quick to remind us that Calzgaghe is technically fighting abroad when he fights in Manchester, Newcastle, or London. That a bit of bull****. I understand the politics and geography of your island perfectly well, so there's no need to play Anorak's beloved little joke about Americans not knowing anything about foreign countries. Manchester is not abroad for a Welshman. It's just not.

                  A roughly similar comparison would be PR-U.S. Cotto is not fighting abroad in New York either.
                  English hate the Welsh. They are two completely seperate nations, Wales even have their own language.

                  Many times when Calzaghe has fought in England, he's been boo'd out the arena because he's Welsh.
                  Last edited by Dimebar; 03-27-2007, 12:49 PM.

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                    Originally posted by SnoopySmurf
                    Think of it this way: if a German known to be the greatest basketball player in Europe also claims to be the greatest in the world....where else can he prove it but in the US?

                    Lennox Lewis knew this and took the belts. Naseem Hamed as well. Undesputed champions. And when they defended their titles, they did it here in the US. Same with Mexicans. Countless champs from outside of the US come here to show the world they are the best.

                    Sven Ottke? Who?
                    bad analogy. joe can still face the best boxers in the world by fighting in the uk..as long as the best boxers in the world agree to come to the uk. that german basketball player is likely to never play against non-european basketball teams.

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