Would Holyfield been intimidated by prime Tyson(86-87)?

[totalstranga]

yes!!! The Lodger( a David Bowie ref?) has it right. some guys cant be punked. I would include Toney, but way to see McCalls almost quasi-******ed ability to fight the fight!! Holy may have been KO'd but he would have DAMN sure thought he had a chance

[hugh grant]

Yeh if Holyfielf sparred with Tyson he might have got the better of MIke. Maybe that is why he was so confident going into there first fight of winning.

[MAXWELL_]

Obviously Evander is mentally tough, but after Tyson lost there were a bunch of fighters who werent afraid of him. Since Mike was such a mound of invincibility before he lost and was in his prime... do you think Holyfield would have been scared of that Mike had they fought(Even though Holy was at cruiserweight).

wow......another alt thread.
idiot!!
cant you be more creative.....
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[The Surgeon]

Scared of Mike? Id say no he was a very brave dude but i'll say 1 thing just coz no1 has mentioned it and i aint trying to diss Evander but he fought scared in his 1st fight with Lewis

[realheavyhands]

with our steroids he woulndnt even of been a heavyweight

[Benny Leonard]

Yeh if Holyfielf sparred with Tyson he might have got the better of MIke. Maybe that is why he was so confident going into there first fight of winning.

I will have to find more info on the sparring, but the main point I always hear, no matter who is telling it, is that Holy kept coming back at Mike.


Holyfield in the SportsCentury, said he noticed Tyson was never "hit" since coming out of jail. I think he knew Tyson wasn't prepared to go to war this soon, or was never going to be able to go to war anymore.


Think about it, what was the longest Tyson fight since coming out of jail?


Add that to the jail time which left him away from boxing, you got a rusted, past his best Fighter in Tyson.


I think the heavy weed smoking showed that Mike just wasn't into boxing or life for that matter, mentally anymore. When Mike is smoking weed to get into the ring, something is wrong. He knew he was finished, he said so in his last fight press conference, "I've been retired since 1990"
We still gave him our money, but hey, I don't mind, he was trying to pay-back Uncle Sam.

I honestly thought the fight was going to be even because Holy didn't look so hot himself at that time. Then I saw him at the weigh-in, and I was like ****, he looks fit as a bull; I was hoping the look was deceiving. The look in Evander's eyes also showed he had no fear for Mike.

*I admit, I was still shocked that Tyson lost but only because I was rooting for my favorite fighter growing up to win, and didn't want to look at the negatives.
If you look at the difference between this version of Tyson and his prime, or even the Tyson that fought Ruddock, not the same.

[freedom213]

But that is his own pain . People with deep depression are less afraid of being harmed by other people because they feel that they in some way deserve too be hurt . The pain inside outweighs any physical which can be delt there for ridding of any fear of physical harm.

Uh ok maybe and Holyfield pobably wouldnt be intimidated by anyone in his prime, But lets make one thing very clear IF EH was on Roids through most of his fights than my opinion of him is severely tarnished, severely! As with any boxers who are proven to have used steroids, most of their accomlishments should be stripped. Again allegations such as these need to be proven to mean anything but they are very damaging when confirmed.

[Benny Leonard]

Uh ok maybe and Holyfield pobably wouldnt be intimidated by anyone in his prime, But lets make one thing very clear IF EH was on Roids through most of his fights than my opinion of him is severely tarnished, severely! As with any boxers who are proven to have used steroids, most of their accomlishments should be stripped. Again allegations such as these need to be proven to mean anything but they are very damaging when confirmed.

It will tarnish it yes, but what if a fighter decides to take steroids down the road, like when he gets older? Does it ruin his previous accomplishments, or just from the point he took steroids?

I ask this because Barry Bonds for example was a great player before he was accused of steroids, so should we not remember that he did do it naturally for a while, which were the years he really built his name up. That is of course if he did use steroids {since I don't want a lawsuit, LOL}

Barry is human, and pressure does get to even the best; especially when you see people going past you that are on steroids, while you are not and know you are better than them, but you fall behind.


For Steroids, "Testosterone" increases Confidence.

[The Noose]

Obviously Evander is mentally tough, but after Tyson lost there were a bunch of fighters who werent afraid of him. Since Mike was such a mound of invincibility before he lost and was in his prime... do you think Holyfield would have been scared of that Mike had they fought(Even though Holy was at cruiserweight).

Evander wasnt scared of him wen every other fighter were ****ting themselves due to 'the baddest man on the planet' myth.

IMO fighters were LESS fearful of Tyson BEFORE he want to prison because back then he was just the awsome heavyweight fighter, not the media created monster that he became after prison.

Like a hollywood film....the sequel is always hyped up way more than the original, yet often lacks the quality.

[hugh grant]

I will have to find more info on the sparring, but the main point I always hear, no matter who is telling it, is that Holy kept coming back at Mike.


Holyfield in the SportsCentury, said he noticed Tyson was never "hit" since coming out of jail. I think he knew Tyson wasn't prepared to go to war this soon, or was never going to be able to go to war anymore.


Think about it, what was the longest Tyson fight since coming out of jail?


Add that to the jail time which left him away from boxing, you got a rusted, past his best Fighter in Tyson.


I think the heavy weed smoking showed that Mike just wasn't into boxing or life for that matter, mentally anymore. When Mike is smoking weed to get into the ring, something is wrong. He knew he was finished, he said so in his last fight press conference, "I've been retired since 1990"
We still gave him our money, but hey, I don't mind, he was trying to pay-back Uncle Sam.

I honestly thought the fight was going to be even because Holy didn't look so hot himself at that time. Then I saw him at the weigh-in, and I was like ****, he looks fit as a bull; I was hoping the look was deceiving. The look in Evander's eyes also showed he had no fear for Mike.

*I admit, I was still shocked that Tyson lost but only because I was rooting for my favorite fighter growing up to win, and didn't want to look at the negatives.
If you look at the difference between this version of Tyson and his prime, or even the Tyson that fought Ruddock, not the same.

I am one of those who are actually suprised Evander was the underdog. I even expected Bruno to beat Tyson when Tyson came out of jail. How wrong can i be? Bruno was pathetic in the second fight. I was so disappointed with Bruno. I am usually quite good at fight predictions as well. But Holyfield beating Tyosn i wasnt suprised. It wasnt an upset in my eyes. Tyson had been in jail for heavens sake. No sparring, no nothing so how can he be expected to beat Holyfield. Tyson did well i have to say though.