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He did beat Hopkins and Toney. I will even given him credit for Ruiz.
I don't want to hear this nonsense about he fought Hopkins when he was young, blah, blah, blah. Ask Hopkins why he didn't move up to fight Roy.
If Roy is overrated, then you have to say Hopkins is even more so.Last edited by Benny Leonard; 03-07-2007, 01:35 PM.Comment
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But I find the problem people have with Tszyu (me included), is that he never moved up to 147 to fight the big names like Oscar, Shane, Tito, and Forrest. If he was in the mix with them, he could have nailed his legacy, not to mention entertaining fights and big $$mECHsLAVE;2201176]I really can't believe most of these posts. LOL Ali? Kostya?
Kostya was the best at his weight for years, undisputed. Fought many of his key fights in hostile environments, in his opponent's country, and went for years and years fighting the top fighters at his weight without losing. Name any glaring omissions from his record at 140. He lost to Phillips, yes, and Phillips wasn't in the picture when he came back- so why would he fight him and not take advantage of fighting higher ranked guys- his purpose was to become undisputed, not revenge. And the people who say "His only win was against Zab," they simply were not following the sport back then. They're looking at boxingrec with hindsight, trying to piece together the boxing scene at the time looking at what some fighters he faced have done since then. That's not how it works, folks.
.As for Ali, as I said, anyone who has him as the most overrated is simply insane. The one guy who said "Well, it's because 95% of the general public thinks he's the best ever" Yeah? And? The reason why they think that is he never ducked anybody, put himself on a pedestal and dared anyone to knock him off, was at the forefront of political and social issues for years (at great peril to his popularity and pocketbook), and traveled all over the world to make fights, fighting many contenders in their hometowns and defending his title in hostile environments. He was the "greatest" fighter of all time, and that doesn't mean he would beat any fighter p4p, necessarily, but "greatness" is the whole package: skill, popularity, name recognition, drawing power, competition, results, resiliancy, etc etc. It's an amalgamation of all those categories, and there is NO fighter in history who is truly greater. Yeah, the general public may rate him higher than SRR or some other guys, and he earned that with tireless promotion, social commentary, and of course most importantly taking out top competition in the ring for years and years.
Go back and read what I said about his career vs. Roy Jones. That's about as simple as I can put it
Ali isn't overrated, I agree.
First, lets all remember when Ali came back from his exile, he wasn't the same, yet some of his best wins came after. He never ducked anybody, fought at Heavyweight (which is the best division and means you are the best), etc.
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michael spinks who beat larry holmes twice when he was the heavyweight champ. and who destroyed everyone at light heavyweight, tyson took all of 91 seconds to murder a great fighter and retire him.Comment
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Mike Tyson.......IMO.Comment
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Considering both of these guys where HOF locks and would win titles in like 5 divisons according to Ring Magazine. Danny Romero and Junior Jones were overrated.Comment
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