Joe's US dream fades

[Shanus]

Well you do remember Hatton asking for 15 mil to fight Floyd, Floyd calling him out and then Hatton signing a 3 fight deal that intentionally does not include Floyd Mayweather?
I have some other articles, but ill pick this up later, ive got to catch dinner.

He signed a contract with HBO, and it wasn't 15 million it was something like 8-12 million if I remember correctly, which is what Floyd would have got anyway.

[.Mik.]

I dont think I look ****** at all.
I clearly stated that up to this point, neither have shown legitimate interest in fighting Floyd.

No you didnt. You claimed that Hatton hasnt shown any interest in fighting Floyd (which isnt true, since fighting Urango I think that they have both shown legitimate interest in fighting one another) and that Cotto hadnt up until this point.

[Benny Leonard]

His retirement is ridiculous and will dent his legacy, but this isn't about Floyd, and I didn't mean it to turn into a Floyd discussion, but Hopkins was young and stylistically Roy is all wrong for him, even to this day I'd pick Roy over Hopkins.

And Floyd could get Hatton and Cotto into the ring, but him and his blind fans make up the excuse saying "He doesn't have to go to them, he's P4P baby, they come to him!" which is complete and utter bull****, so he sits behind his P4P status and expects them to knock on his door. It takes 2 to tango.

How so? he is just turned 30. At 30, your attributes only go down hill.

Hatton has been saying he will retire before 30.

I would of loved to see Floyd vs. Hatton and Cotto, but I don't blame him if he tried to get the fights done and they didn't want it to happen.
Tyring to wait until Floyd gets into his 30's is what it seems to be; like Ray waiting for Hagler to decline.

[Shanus]

How so? he is just turned 30. At 30, your attributes only go down hill.

Hatton has been saying he will retire before 30.

I would of loved to see Floyd vs. Hatton and Cotto, but I don't blame him if he tried to get the fights done and they didn't want it to happen.
Tyring to wait until Floyd gets into his 30's is what it seems to be; like Ray waiting for Hagler to decline.

Floyd hasn't shown any signs of diminishing, and he expects people to bow down to his achievments after he retires and say they know nothing about boxing if they disagree, so many fighters have climbed out of the woodwork wanting to fight him now that he says he's retiring, he should take advantage of it and go down as an all time great by fighting/beating all of them.

[Benny Leonard]

Floyd hasn't shown any signs of diminishing, and he expects people to bow down to his achievments after he retires and say they know nothing about boxing if they disagree, so many fighters have climbed out of the woodwork wanting to fight him now that he says he's retiring, he should take advantage of it and go down as an all time great by fighting/beating all of them.

Still, once you hit your 30's the hill turns to mud and you start to slide down. Training becomes harder, recovery for your body is not the same, and all other attributes slowly fade.

I don't regard Floyd as the "greatest", no matter what he says, but he is a great fighter, especiallly in the lower weight class.

I will say this, Hatton and Cotto's refusal to make the fight happen with Mayweather by now is a retreat from battle in my eyes; they count as a loss just like Bowe's refusal to fight Lewis.

Oh, who else has come out of the "woodwork" in wanting to fight him, that is legit?
Hatton has been saying the same thing for a long time, but has never made the fight. He fights a past his prime Castillo, instead of fighting Cotto, yet we are supposed to believe he is serious in wanting a fight with Floyd.
Bob Arum still will not put Cotto in there with Floyd, just offering Margarito.
Winky? the guy is a middleweight and I don't blame Floyd if he doesn't fight him.


Just say Floyd sticks around and Hatton is serious about the fight, how much is Hatton going to demand? 10 million? more?

[El Jesus]

His retirement is ridiculous and will dent his legacy, but this isn't about Floyd, and I didn't mean it to turn into a Floyd discussion, but Hopkins was young and stylistically Roy is all wrong for him, even to this day I'd pick Roy over Hopkins.

And Floyd could get Hatton and Cotto into the ring, but him and his blind fans make up the excuse saying "He doesn't have to go to them, he's P4P baby, they come to him!" which is complete and utter bull****, so he sits behind his P4P status and expects them to knock on his door. It takes 2 to tango.

Your being ridiculous in the face of a fighter you like having a promoter who has no pull in the USA, and thus cant dictate the terms he wants for fights, thus thinking that somehow that no fault falls on him for not making bigger fights happen outside of europe.

USA fighters dont fight outside the united states in alot of cases because there is no pressure from Ring magazine nor the boxing public for them to do so. You know why? Because hostility reigns whenever you leave your coast most of the time. Its bad enough if your a west coast fighter going to the east, or a southern fighter going to the west. Our reigon is huge and expansive with champions who have HBO/SHO exposure which in most cases gives them a pass.

The bottom line is, Mayweather cant get Cotto nor Hatton in the ring with him, that **** has nothing to do with Frank Warren failing time and again to secure something legit for his fighters in the united states which is why Hatton/Joe C time and again fail to get anything groundbreaking going. Hatton vs Jose Luis Castillo is OK,but other than that its nothing but a bunch of bull**** circus fights like the Manfredo fight for Joe C.

Your making excuses becaue your trapped in a corner, if i were you id stop where i was at, stop trying to put the blame on mayweather and roy, and realize none of that **** has to do with the bull**** fights we have seen from JOE C and Hatton all year.

If your going to argue by diverting the argument into a bunch of different areas one little resembling the next we will be here all day/night arguing 90 different things that have nothing to do with the topic at hand.

[El Jesus]

No you didnt. You claimed that Hatton hasnt shown any interest in fighting Floyd (which isnt true, since fighting Urango I think that they have both shown legitimate interest in fighting one another) and that Cotto hadnt up until this point.

Talk is talk, we have seen it time and again, we have seen this "intrest" as far back as 2005 with nothing to materialize.

[Shanus]

Your being ridiculous in the face of a fighter you like having a promoter who has no pull in the USA, and thus cant dictate the terms he wants for fights, thus thinking that somehow that no fault falls on him for not making bigger fights happen outside of europe.

USA fighters dont fight outside the united states in alot of cases because there is no pressure from Ring magazine nor the boxing public for them to do so. You know why? Because hostility reigns whenever you leave your coast most of the time. Its bad enough if your a west coast fighter going to the east, or a southern fighter going to the west. Our reigon is huge and expansive with champions who have HBO/SHO exposure which in most cases gives them a pass.

The bottom line is, Mayweather cant get Cotto nor Hatton in the ring with him, that **** has nothing to do with Frank Warren failing time and again to secure something legit for his fighters in the united states which is why Hatton/Joe C time and again fail to get anything groundbreaking going. Hatton vs Jose Luis Castillo is OK,but other than that its nothing but a bunch of bull**** circus fights like the Manfredo fight for Joe C.

Your making excuses becaue your trapped in a corner, if i were you id stop where i was at, stop trying to put the blame on mayweather and roy, and realize none of that **** has to do with the bull**** fights we have seen from JOE C and Hatton all year.

If your going to argue by diverting the argument into a bunch of different areas one little resembling the next we will be here all day/night arguing 90 different things that have nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Why did I even bother reading that? The only time you ever pop up is to defend Floyd Mayweather, I've heard all of this before. And the whole "East coast, West coast" rubbish is a load of bollocks, if there's a world champion on the other side of the world the contender should have to travel, American or not, Jeff Lacy did it, and he got paid a huge amount by doing so.. alot more than Calzaghe, Marvin Hagler did it, Muhammad Ali did it even when he was the champion. So don't tell me that American fighters shouldn't travel, they have it easy enough as it is.

[Shanus]

Still, once you hit your 30's the hill turns to mud and you start to slide down. Training becomes harder, recovery for your body is not the same, and all other attributes slowly fade.

I don't regard Floyd as the "greatest", no matter what he says, but he is a great fighter, especiallly in the lower weight class.

I will say this, Hatton and Cotto's refusal to make the fight happen with Mayweather by now is a retreat from battle in my eyes; they count as a loss just like Bowe's refusal to fight Lewis.

Oh, who else has come out of the "woodwork" in wanting to fight him, that is legit?
Hatton has been saying the same thing for a long time, but has never made the fight. He fights a past his prime Castillo, instead of fighting Cotto, yet we are supposed to believe he is serious in wanting a fight with Floyd.
Bob Arum still will not put Cotto in there with Floyd, just offering Margarito.
Winky? the guy is a middleweight and I don't blame Floyd if he doesn't fight him.


Just say Floyd sticks around and Hatton is serious about the fight, how much is Hatton going to demand? 10 million? more?

You're forgetting Shane Mosley, who's the only one out of the bunch excluding Winky that would beat him in my opinion.

I know Hatton demanding so much money was ridiculous, but you're forgetting that just after his fight with Tszyu, it would have been billed a megafight at the time, in terms of popularity amongst the boxing community, it wouldn't have drawn in 1 million viewers but it'd surpass any amount of PPV buys both Floyd and Hatton had.

The beast from the east vs The best in the west, it would have been like Ali vs Henry Cooper all over again. (In terms of popularity)

[dumdane]

Lacy took a chance in going over seas to fight Calzaghe. I dont see why Joe cant do the same.

Because Calzaghe isn't really big on that risk-taking thing.

To some extend he HAD to take a risk and fight Lacy, because his reputation was really going beyond ridiculous. (but he basicly had to be dragged kicking and screaming into that fight - despite his advisers telling him Lacy's style was perfect fot him)
But facing dangerous opposition away from home is well beyond what Joe is prepared to do.
Especially since his legacy is now "secured" with the Lacy fight.