If Shane's easy win over Collazo makes Hatton a poorer fighter then....

[.Mik.]

Collazo was destroyed by Mosley, so obviously there are A LOT of questions about Hatton...

I consider a 'destruction' to be a brutal defeat, most likely by knockout. By the sounds of it, Mosely simply outscored and outboxed Collazo in the vast majority of the rounds...ironically, just like Hatton did with Urango. I have a feeling you wouldnt be so happy to consider the Hatton/Urango fight a Hatton destruction.

The guy was 35. How many athletes in are in their prime at that age? Also, Tsyzu was already talking about retiring even before the fight because he felt he was getting injured often because he was getting old and he didn't feel the same since he injured his shoulder. There are plenty of instances where Tsyzu said he felt his career was coming to an end. Why do you think the guy hasn't fought in the 2 years since the Hatton fight?

A few. Lewis seemed much more in his prime later in his career. I never said that Tszyu was in his prime anyway, just that he was still a capable enough fighter to be high in the P4P list. What I'm saying is the fact that he may not have been at his peak, but he was not 'shot' or 'finished'. His last fight before Hatton proved that he still had enough in him to be deserving of a place on the P4P list.

Regarding Hatton's victory, of course most of them are convincing when they're in his backyards against handpicked guys he's supposed to look good against. You think all the opponents before Tsyzu were supposed to give Hatton trouble? Hatton's people wouldn't let him near anyone who was even a small threat for 8 years.

Come on mate, drop the double standards. Most fighters records are padded with 'handpicked' guys in their 'backyards', Floyd Maywhether's certainly is. Has he ever even moved out of his country? Hatton has. That doesnt mean the guys they fight are 'bums' or that they are somehow easy fights. They arent. Most of the times they are title-holders or mandatory/number 1 contenders. Each of the last 6 of Hatton's fights have been for titles. That might not mean that he's cutting a swathe through the P4P ranks, but that doesnt mean that he is fighting crap opponents. Be a bit fairer in your criticism, Hatton isnt really doing anything that 95% of the other top guys are also doing.

Getting the job done is perfectly fine when you've proven you can beat top fighters. One fight just isn't enough. The comparison to Ali is ridiculous. Ali beat many top fighters all over the world. Hatton beat one top fighter in his hometown. When Hatton beats more top fighters, I can certainly understand giving him credit for just gutting out a win.

He's beaten one top fighter. A few other title-holders and a few other contenders. Mostly rather convincingly. In fact Hatton only has one fight on his record that doesnt go down a convincing win. What more do you want of him? Convincing wins over big fighters? Okay then, he's making an attempt to do that not (not hugely late into his career), so have a bit of patience and then you can criticise him if he doesnt get through those challenges.

He was an underdog precisely because he had 40 fights and had beaten absolutely no one. No one thought Hatton was all that great since he had been making a career out of beating journeymen.

Behave. Journeymen is disrespecting perfectly good boxers. There isnt just two lists you know? There isnt just 'P4P world beaters' and then 'journeymen' there is quite a bit inbetween and many of Hatton's opponents fall inbetween. The reason he had so many victories against non-P4P opponenets is because a) he fights frequently and b) he isnt America. So he has had to 'pay his dues' by fighting down a level before being able to get the big fights. He should be respected for that, not criticised. When he got his chance about Kostya, he took it. Please dont come back with the "Yeah...handpicked shot champion in his own backyard" argument, not only is it boring but its completely the opinion of ONLY the people who do not like Hatton.

When he grinds out all these victories, then that's fine with me. He hasn't done that yet so he deserves the criticism.

How about a compromise? You give him the opportunity to grind out the victories against the opponenets you deem to be worthy and if he doesnt, THEN you can criticise. Making assumptive criticism on things that you dont yet have any idea about is a bit ******ed, dont you think?

Hatton said he felt stronger, had more stamina, and more power at 147 because he didn't have to drain so much weight to make 140. He also said it was tough making it to 140 because he ballooned in between fights. If he doesn't say all that, moving back down doesn't seem that big a deal. The excuses didn't come until after he lost...

What did you expect him to say? "I feel dreadful, I feel bloated, my preparation hasnt been great. I just dont feel comfortable at this weight?" Name one boxer alive who would say such a thing before a fight.

Also...he didnt lose mate. Or are you so against him that you are willing to take his hard won victories away from him? Cos that doesnt do the credence of your arguments any good at all. That just makes you seem like you are pretty horribly one-dimensional in your approach here.