If Shane's easy win over Collazo makes Hatton a poorer fighter then....

[Left2body]

Not overrated. He MAY be the best P4P fighter in the world. He certainly beat one who is. He probably isnt, but that is an unknown quantity until he is defeated. Until he loses a fight, there is no fighter (being realistic, at or around his weight level) who can say with 100% certainty that they definitely WOULD beat him. Its that simple. You may not like it and you may not like him, but that is a fact. Multi-weight, multi-champion, undefeated, high P4P scalp. Cant argue with them, you can debate his future credentials, but nobody can say for sure.

I never argued Hatton's ability in this thread and this thread is not about Hatton's ability. It was concerning the credit or discredit which Hatton should or should not get in for his close victory over Collazo now that Mosley has beaten Collazo handedly. That is the point in which I was trying to highlight hypocrsy.

[.Mik.]

And I never commented about that. I commented on the insinuation that he, or his career was somehow 'A joke' and then defended the responses to that.

[psychopath]

If Shane's easy win over Collazo makes Hatton a poorer fighter then....

IF? I'll answer you right there and won't go further into the bull****.

NO! Shane's victory over Collazo doesn't automatically translate as Hatton being a poorer fight. That's ****** and foolish thinking.

FACTS:
1) Styles makes fights. Mosley and Haton have different fighting styles.
2) Mosley move down in weight to Fight Collazo while Hatton moved up.

Damn, can you not see the logical point?

[Left2body]

And I never commented about that. I commented on the insinuation that he, or his career was somehow 'A joke' and then defended the responses to that.

Ok so you agree that there was a deal of hypocrsy on the part of Hatton fans? The same fans who previous to the Collazo vs Mosley fight stated that if Collazo won then he DESERVED more credit for his win over him. But immediately after Mosley wins handedly they say triangular theory is BS and Mosley vs Collazo should not impact Hattons credit at all.

Do you not see the hypocrsy in this?

[Guest]

Not overrated.

Yes, overrated! He has 43 fights and only one win that's really worth anything. He hasn't beaten a single elite fighter in his prime and the trend of handpicking opponents will continue when he faces the battleworn Castillo...

He MAY be the best P4P fighter in the world.

The best fighter in the world would not struggle with a fighter like Collazo. Mosley showed he definetely is a P4P level fighter and he destroyed Collazo even at the age of 35...

He certainly beat one who is.

If you're referring to Tsyzu, how the hell could he be a legit P4P fighter with 3 rounds under his belt in 2 years prior to facing Hatton? Like I said, Hattons fans just pull **** like this out of their asses to make Hatton look better than he really is.

He probably isnt, but that is an unknown quantity until he is defeated. Until he loses a fight, there is no fighter (being realistic, at or around his weight level) who can say with 100% certainty that they definitely WOULD beat him.

So he can duck all the real contenders like he has all his career and you would consider him the best because he never lost? Please...

Its that simple. You may not like it and you may not like him, but that is a fact. Multi-weight, multi-champion, undefeated, high P4P scalp. Cant argue with them, you can debate his future credentials, but nobody can say for sure.

So you think Cotto is as good as Hatton? He has the exact same credentials, except he didn't run back to 140 after winning a title at 147...

[.Mik.]

Ok so you agree that there was a deal of hypocrsy on the part of Hatton fans? The same fans who previous to the Collazo vs Mosley fight stated that if Collazo won then he DESERVED more credit for his win over him. But immediately after Mosley wins handedly they say triangular theory is BS and Mosley vs Collazo should not impact Hattons credit at all.

Do you not see the hypocrsy in this?

Its a bit of both. He deserved a bit more credit if Collazo won, he deserved a few more questions if Collazo lost convincingly (even more questions if Collazo was absolutely destroyed), but thats all. Its not like you can read anything more into it than that.

Yes, overrated! He has 43 fights and only one win that's really worth anything. He hasn't beaten a single elite fighter in his prime and the trend of handpicking opponents will continue when he faces the battleworn Castillo...

That is a pointless argument. Who are you to say that Tszyu wasnt in his prime when he was still ranked very highly according to the professional critics and analysts? Or is it more just a case that your assumptions suit your point of view? Castillo is a step in the right direction, you cannot dispute that. Hatton is younger than the other top guy in the division, he is building his way up. At the moment he has 43 victories the vast majority of them overwhelmingly convincingly. Truth be told, there arent too many of the guys in that division who have regularly faced the other top fighters, so why criticise Hatton for it and for his record, and say nothing of the others?

The best fighter in the world would not struggle with a fighter like Collazo. Mosley showed he definetely is a P4P level fighter and he destroyed Collazo even at the age of 35...

Why not? As far as I can tell, the best fighters in the world simply get the job done. Ali had his fair share of 12 rounders against people he was expected to knock out. People have bad days at the office, Hatton is no different. Besides, I never claimed him to be the best fighter in the world.

If you're referring to Tsyzu, how the hell could he be a legit P4P fighter with 3 rounds under his belt in 2 years prior to facing Hatton? Like I said, Hattons fans just pull **** like this out of their asses to make Hatton look better than he really is.

Why was Hatton such an underdog then? Or do you know more than the boxing analysts, the professional sport critics and the bookmakers? Hindsight really is a powerful tool isnt it?

So he can duck all the real contenders like he has all his career and you would consider him the best because he never lost? Please...

Never said I'd consider him the best simply off retiring undefeated (though that is certainly an impressive accolade considering the quality of opposition he has faced, which doesnt somehow consist of 'bums', just cos you think it does). But as far as I'm concerned, if he grinds out a decision over Castillo, if he looks dreadful and grinds out a decision against Cotto, if he comes off his arse 10 times to knock out Floyd Maywhether in the final round of the fight...and then goes and fights some guy that Maywhether knocked out in the first round...and only just managed to grind out a decision against him, who are you to criticise? Are the victories not the most important thing in boxing?

So you think Cotto is as good as Hatton? He has the exact same credentials, except he didn't run back to 140 after winning a title at 147... :bottle

I think that Cotto is a huge prospect, with tremendous talent and potential. However I've seen huge prospects running out of steam and fading away. As far as I'm concerned, when it comes to boxing, massive knock outs and quick title shots arent the most important thing. Consistency and will-to-win is what make the great records and at the moment Hatton has proven more of that than Cotto (even if it is just because he has had a longer career...if Cotto is to oust him, he'll need to have a strong career all the way through too). I dont see why there is a call for 'running' or being a baby. Hatton moved up to 147, won his match, realised that he wasnt comfortable at that weight, so he moved down. Its not like he is still allowed to weigh in at 147 when fighting at JWW, so what difference does it make? To me it seems smart if anything. He's demonstrated a willingness to move back up, but only for the big fights (which at this stage in his career is all he really should be looking for in anycase), so whats the problem?

[Left2body]

Its a bit of both. He deserved a bit more credit if Collazo won, he deserved a few more questions if Collazo lost convincingly (even more questions if Collazo was absolutely destroyed), but thats all. Its not like you can read anything more into it than that.

Actually, I'm not trying to get down on Hatton, I actually give more credit to him because I think Collazo is the real deal, now and it wasn't that he just looked good against Hatton. Collazo showed that he was is a sharp puncher and slick boxer. Colazo just ran into a beastly retro-version of Mosley. I just didn't like the fact that some guys try to have it both ways.

[Tysonisgod]

Not overrated. He MAY be the best P4P fighter in the world. He certainly beat one who is. He probably isnt, but that is an unknown quantity until he is defeated. Until he loses a fight, there is no fighter (being realistic, at or around his weight level) who can say with 100% certainty that they definitely WOULD beat him. Its that simple. You may not like it and you may not like him, but that is a fact. Multi-weight, multi-champion, undefeated, high P4P scalp. Cant argue with them, you can debate his future credentials, but nobody can say for sure.

well saying that, that means that floyd who has MULTI weight not jst the 1 he stayed at his full life and then moved up 1 to fight a champ and then move back down, is a much better fight

[squealpiggy]

one of the scores for PBF-Judah was 119-109 and the others were almost as lopsided. That is a dominating performance

Forgive me if I'm wrong but I believe you were one of the people who was saying that Hatton didn't dominate Urango, despite being given similar scores (and not being knocked down).

Regarding the initial question, while I think that if Collazo had won against Mosley he would have been more widely recognised as a genuine force at 147 lbs and therefore would give Hatton a little more credit, Hatton still beat Collazo so Shane beating him more handily really doesn't affect Hatton overly. If Collazo had beaten Hatton then it might be a different matter. But there again I also think that Collazo would have been favourite against Mosley if that had been the case.

[Dr.Depravity]

With all that being said. I wouldn't give Hatton much of a chance vs. Shane or Floyd. Hatton is an exciting gutsy fighter. He deserves his fan base also. So Im not calling him an overhyped bum or anything.