If Shane's easy win over Collazo makes Hatton a poorer fighter then....

[squealpiggy]

I think Shane would cause him more problems than Floyd, because of his size. Then again I've never seen Hatton really struggle with any fighter who wasn't a southpaw. I guess we'll see when he fights Castillo what he's made of.

One thing I noticed is that Hatton's left hand is always very low so he gets hit a lot with right hooks when he fights southpaws. Plus when he digs that left to the body he's very open for counters.

[adamk1304]

[QUOTE=$iN;2142185]For one, Tsyzu was humiliated in the first round by Judah. In no round did Floyd look like he didn't belong in the same ring as Judah, unlike Tsyzu.

Secondly, one of the scores for PBF-Judah was 119-109 and the others were almost as lopsided. That is a dominating performance. If Floyd had the same power at 147 that he did at 130, Judah would have gotten KTFO.

Third, PBF and Tsyzu have completely different styles. They each destroyed Judah in their own way.

Mosley and Hatton have more similar styles in that they try to win with activity and people were saying Mosley was holding just as much as Hatton does. Also, Mosley and Hatton fought Collazo back-to-back but there was 4-5 years between Judah's fights against Tsyzu and PBF and they happened at different weight classes.

Stop trying to be silly and turn this around. Hatton is a joke and Mosley's domination of Collazo showed how overrated Hatton is...[/QUOTE

The 119-109 score was ridiculous, people were slating glen hamada for weeks after that fight. i gave mayweather 8-4 rounds, it was a clear decision but he didnt destroy judah at all. However tszyu knocked him the **** out.

[me2007]

Why do people keep talking about Hattons fans? I am a fan of Hatton and would like to see him do well....that doesn`t mean I can`t see his weaknesses.

From all the fights i`ve seen its obvious that Hatton is a league above anything at domestic or european level; but when it comes to the mega fights or even just big vegas style fights, he lacks the big punch and elusiveness to be the cream of the cream...

He's too easy to hit and leads with his face too much when trying to get on the inside. Tzysu (sp?) was on the decline when they fought and gassed out.

Collazo rocked Hatton many times, I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt though and say he was moving up weight and didn`t wasn`t given enough time to adjust...

Hatton is a decent world level fighter, he's good but he lacks too many things...

[Guest]

Its a bit of both. He deserved a bit more credit if Collazo won, he deserved a few more questions if Collazo lost convincingly (even more questions if Collazo was absolutely destroyed), but thats all. Its not like you can read anything more into it than that.

Collazo was destroyed by Mosley, so obviously there are A LOT of questions about Hatton...

That is a pointless argument. Who are you to say that Tszyu wasnt in his prime when he was still ranked very highly according to the professional critics and analysts? Or is it more just a case that your assumptions suit your point of view? Castillo is a step in the right direction, you cannot dispute that. Hatton is younger than the other top guy in the division, he is building his way up. At the moment he has 43 victories the vast majority of them overwhelmingly convincingly. Truth be told, there arent too many of the guys in that division who have regularly faced the other top fighters, so why criticise Hatton for it and for his record, and say nothing of the others?

The guy was 35. How many athletes in are in their prime at that age? Also, Tsyzu was already talking about retiring even before the fight because he felt he was getting injured often because he was getting old and he didn't feel the same since he injured his shoulder. There are plenty of instances where Tsyzu said he felt his career was coming to an end. Why do you think the guy hasn't fought in the 2 years since the Hatton fight?

Regarding Hatton's victory, of course most of them are convincing when they're in his backyards against handpicked guys he's supposed to look good against. You think all the opponents before Tsyzu were supposed to give Hatton trouble? Hatton's people wouldn't let him near anyone who was even a small threat for 8 years.

Why not? As far as I can tell, the best fighters in the world simply get the job done. Ali had his fair share of 12 rounders against people he was expected to knock out. People have bad days at the office, Hatton is no different. Besides, I never claimed him to be the best fighter in the world.

Getting the job done is perfectly fine when you've proven you can beat top fighters. One fight just isn't enough. The comparison to Ali is ridiculous. Ali beat many top fighters all over the world. Hatton beat one top fighter in his hometown. When Hatton beats more top fighters, I can certainly understand giving him credit for just gutting out a win.

Why was Hatton such an underdog then? Or do you know more than the boxing analysts, the professional sport critics and the bookmakers? Hindsight really is a powerful tool isnt it?

He was an underdog precisely because he had 40 fights and had beaten absolutely no one. No one thought Hatton was all that great since he had been making a career out of beating journeymen.

Never said I'd consider him the best simply off retiring undefeated (though that is certainly an impressive accolade considering the quality of opposition he has faced, which doesnt somehow consist of 'bums', just cos you think it does). But as far as I'm concerned, if he grinds out a decision over Castillo, if he looks dreadful and grinds out a decision against Cotto, if he comes off his arse 10 times to knock out Floyd Maywhether in the final round of the fight...and then goes and fights some guy that Maywhether knocked out in the first round...and only just managed to grind out a decision against him, who are you to criticise? Are the victories not the most important thing in boxing?

When he grinds out all these victories, then that's fine with me. He hasn't done that yet so he deserves the criticism.

I think that Cotto is a huge prospect, with tremendous talent and potential. However I've seen huge prospects running out of steam and fading away. As far as I'm concerned, when it comes to boxing, massive knock outs and quick title shots arent the most important thing. Consistency and will-to-win is what make the great records and at the moment Hatton has proven more of that than Cotto (even if it is just because he has had a longer career...if Cotto is to oust him, he'll need to have a strong career all the way through too). I dont see why there is a call for 'running' or being a baby. Hatton moved up to 147, won his match, realised that he wasnt comfortable at that weight, so he moved down. Its not like he is still allowed to weigh in at 147 when fighting at JWW, so what difference does it make? To me it seems smart if anything. He's demonstrated a willingness to move back up, but only for the big fights (which at this stage in his career is all he really should be looking for in anycase), so whats the problem?

Hatton said he felt stronger, had more stamina, and more power at 147 because he didn't have to drain so much weight to make 140. He also said it was tough making it to 140 because he ballooned in between fights. If he doesn't say all that, moving back down doesn't seem that big a deal. The excuses didn't come until after he lost...

[Run]

For one, Tsyzu was humiliated in the first round by Judah. In no round did Floyd look like he didn't belong in the same ring as Judah, unlike Tsyzu.

lol, he knocked him the **** out in the second round you genius. I think that's a tad bit more impressive then going the distance with Judah and getting knocked down in the process like Floyd did.

Secondly, one of the scores for PBF-Judah was 119-109 and the others were almost as lopsided. That is a dominating performance. If Floyd had the same power at 147 that he did at 130, Judah would have gotten KTFO.

That's because you're a nuthugger. Judah won the first 4 rounds in the fight.

Third, PBF and Tsyzu have completely different styles. They each destroyed Judah in their own way.

No.....KT destroyed Judah. Floyd comfortably out boxed him.

Mosley and Hatton have more similar styles in that they try to win with activity and people were saying Mosley was holding just as much as Hatton does. Also, Mosley and Hatton fought Collazo back-to-back but there was 4-5 years between Judah's fights against Tsyzu and PBF and they happened at different weight classes.

Collazo (unequal sign) Judah, you can't compare the two.

Stop trying to be silly and turn this around. Hatton is a joke and Mosley's domination of Collazo showed how overrated Hatton is...

Stop being a jackoff.

Mosely's domination of Collazo has no bearing on Ricky Hatton. Styles make fights and you're going to learn that If I have to troll your dumb ass all day.



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[wiso2008]

Shane is far a better fighter than Hatton...Shane would KO Hatton

[Mech.]

Its true that people take triangle logic too far & its ******... but you cant use "styles make fights" as a blanket statement either,if you do its like completely ignoring a fighters skill level & that includes the ability to make adjustments in a fight.

[Run]

Its true that people take triangle logic too far & its ******... but you cant use "styles make fights" as a blanket statement either,if you do its like completely ignoring a fighters skill level & that includes the ability to make adjustments in a fight.

It doesn't mean anything.

Junior Jones K Barrera TFO and if it werent for his corner....he might have died. Barrera schooled Morales' ass in the third fight, and I thought he deserved the nod in all three fights. What happened when Jones fought Morales?

There's really nothing else that needs be said. Triangle logic doesn't work.



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[Guest]

lol, he knocked him the **** out in the second round you genius. I think that's a tad bit more impressive then going the distance with Judah and getting knocked down in the process like Floyd did.

Wow, you're an idiot. Tsyzu is a power puncher in his natural weight class. It would be a disappointing performance for him if he didn't KO Judah. Mayweather was fighting Judah in his 4th weight class where his power is negligable and he's not a power puncher like Tsyzu anyway. Asking Floyd to KO Judah at welterweight is the equivalent of asking Tsyzu to outbox Judah over 12 rounds and win just about every round...

[!! Mr. Soprano]

Then Floyd's worse. This is because Ricky beat Tszyu, who flattened Zab in two rounds. Zab gave Floyd a tough fight for four rounds, and certainly a tougher fight than he gave Tszyu. So by that reckoning Ricky is better than Floyd?!?

Of course, this isn't true. But my point is this - we shouldnt read too much into the Collazo fights.

1 - A much different Tszyu fought Hatton than a much different Judah who fought Mayweather

2 - Collazo is a Tough SOB. A southpaw.. and Shanes was just better adopted with his quick hands and great reflexes

This does not mean that Hatton sucks.. he just has a problem with certain styles