will Floyd go down as an ATG

[hugh grant]

I agree with you. PBF will have to beat them because your critics will always try and question you and that will happen to PBF. I am trying to help PBF with telling him who he should be beating, becuase his critics in 10 years time will use it agaisnt him if he doesnt. His critics will say he isnt a atg because he didnt face this person or that person when he could or should have.

[ThaHorseman]

Well if Hatton beats Castillo i would like to hear what he says about Hatton compared to PBF. If Hatton could beat Cotto that would have me putting him up there with PBFs record up to now. Followed by PBF. If he beats PBFs then yes as i said Hatton will be up there.
Hatton is ambitious, he wants to be the best, and believes in his ability to be the best. Being the best is a long journey and he is on the long road to it. Urango is the start.

You are crazy if you think Castillo (34 yrs old), Cotto, Tszyu, Collazo and Maussa are even slightly comparable to G. Hernandez, C. Hernandez, Corrales, Castillo (29 yrs old), Zab, Gatti, Chavez, N'Dou, and De La Hoya. Hell I would rank Manfredy as a tougher opponent (considering weight class) than Maussa. Hatton does not have a good start to becoming an ATG. He has the undefeated record, but has it against relatively easy competition. And you have to consider that the toughest two fights out of that group haven't even happened yet (Cotto, Castillo), and may never happen.

I feel like you think I'm bashing Hatton, but I'm not. Personally, I don't care one way or another how his career goes. But he has shown me nothing by fighting the opponents that he's fought. I guess we will have to agree to disagree that he's got a LONG, LONG, LONG way to go before he can be considered great.

[cupcrazy01]

A couple of scenarios would make me put him in the ATG category:

(1) He decisively beats DLH and then decisively beats the Cotto/Margarito winner plus one more big win perhaps against someone like Berto if he continues to rise and becomes a star in the next couple of years. This is very unlikely because we know how likely a PBF-Margarito fight is, and the chances of PBF-Cotto are probably just as much a longshot given the inevitable involvement of Arum.

(2) He decisively beats DLH, then goes all the way back down to 140 for the jr welterweight megafight vs. Hatton (if he beats JL Castillo) and then beats Cotto if Cotto beats Margarito and remains undefeated until then. This is also very unlikely as PBF will probably never go below 147 again, and of course again we have the Top Rank/Cotto situation.

Both of these scenarios are very, very unlikely and odds are PBF--if indeed he keeps fighting--will be semi-retired and fight once or at most twice a year against the lowest risk decent opposition out there.

Obviously his ATG status depends on fighting the Cotto/Margarito winner in some way shape or form, unless that winner is defeated by Paul Williams or Berto or something. We may see a situation like Ray Leonard where PBF retires after DLH and then picks and chooses the biggest fights that can garner himself the least risk with the most reward. Leonard, to his credit, fought bigger, stronger opponents in Hagler and Hearns but clearly tried to time the fights to his biggest possible advantage. In other words, perhaps PBF waits a couple more years to fight Margarito or even 5-6 years to fight Cotto when he still is quicker than Cotto but Cotto will have lost a considerable about of hand speed and agility.

[hugh grant]

You are crazy if you think Castillo (34 yrs old), Cotto, Tszyu, Collazo and Maussa are even slightly comparable to G. Hernandez, C. Hernandez, Corrales, Castillo (29 yrs old), Zab, Gatti, Chavez, N'Dou, and De La Hoya. Hell I would rank Manfredy as a tougher opponent (considering weight class) than Maussa. Hatton does not have a good start to becoming an ATG. He has the undefeated record, but has it against relatively easy competition. And you have to consider that the toughest two fights out of that group haven't even happened yet (Cotto, Castillo), and may never happen

I feel like you think I'm bashing Hatton, but I'm not. Personally, I don't care one way or another how his career goes. But he has shown me nothing by fighting the opponents that he's fought. I guess we will have to agree to disagree that he's got a LONG, LONG, LONG way to go before he can be considered great.

Your giving PBF opponents far too much credit as i knew you would. PBF's opponents havent been that good recently. You mention the names of Hernandez and to be brutally honest i dont know much about them. If they were still good i probably would know about them, as they would be in the magazines that i browse through from time to time. Ive heard many times people say PBFs opponents werent the best by knowledgalble people, b ut the manner in the way PBF beat them was impressive and that is where PBF has got his dues. You mention Gatti and that says a lot to me about you.


We'll agree to disagree, but isnt Hatton a great already?. The Ring Mags etc thinks Hattons pretty good already i think and hes already great isnt he? He beat Kostya Tsu and people considered him still great. We can debate all day whether PBF has beaten anyone as good as Kostya, and whether or not PBF could have beaten him. There have been many greats in the history of the sport, and room for many more. Its atg great were on about here though isnt it, and i am assuming atg is above great?

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he obviously acomplished great things, however his what-if legacy will overshadow the work he put in from 130 - 135.

[BigCol]

He will go down in the HOF but he will not be an all-time great.

[ThaHorseman]

Your giving PBF opponents far too much credit as i knew you would. PBF's opponents havent been that good recently. You mention the names of Hernandez and to be brutally honest i dont know much about them. If they were still good i probably would know about them, as they would be in the magazines that i browse through from time to time. Ive heard many times people say PBFs opponents werent the best by knowledgalble people, b ut the manner in the way PBF beat them was impressive and that is where PBF has got his dues. You mention Gatti and that says a lot to me about you.


We'll agree to disagree, but isnt Hatton a great already?. The Ring Mags etc thinks Hattons pretty good already i think and hes already great isnt he? He beat Kostya Tsu and people considered him still great. We can debate all day whether PBF has beaten anyone as good as Kostya, and whether or not PBF could have beaten him. There have been many greats in the history of the sport, and room for many more. Its atg great were on about here though isnt it, and i am assuming atg is above great?

How can you say I'm giving his opponents too much credit when you admit that you don't know anything about them? I mentioned Gatti, you mentioned Maussa. I think I get a little more credibility for mine. As I said, I think Hatton is good. The whole conversation started when you said Hatton could be not only an ATG, but even more so than Floyd. Since then you've admitted you don't know about Floyd's opponents, compared Tszyu, Maussa, Collazo and Urango with Gatti, Judah, Baldomir and DLH, and you've said you get your information about fighters by browsing through magazines "from time to time". Its like you don't even understand that Maussa, Urango and everyone pre-Tszyu mean nothing to the world of boxing. You think I'm giving Floyd's opponents too much credit, I think you're giving Hatton's too much. I suggest you take a look at some of these guys and reconsider.

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