will Floyd go down as an ATG

[deliveryman]

Hatton is far from a modern day great, let alone an ATG.

He has 1 noteworthy win on his resume.

[ben41193]

Mayweather will need to to fight some huge opposition to become an atg. I think that he needs to clean out the divission. that Is the only thing i can think of that can cement him as an atg.

[hugh grant]

Hatton is 28 and has one big name on his resume. And even that win is questionable (I've always given him his due for that win). Other than that he's fought nothing but a handful of B-level guys and a LOT of scrubs. He would have to fight about 6 or 7 top guys in a row to go down as an all time great. And in a couple weeks, its not getting off to a good start. When is he going to fight an top fighter who is in his prime?

If i had a penny for everytime someone mentioned the dubious quality of Hattons opposition on this forum i would be a rich man. And for everyman that questions the quality of Hattons opposition you;ll get people questioning PBFs opposition as well. I am not one of those who tend to do it.
But because you have done it..... PBF has fought good guys, but who were they and where are they now if they were good? People like Antonio Barrera is good and he has been around the top 10 for as long as i can remember. Are PBFs opponents anywhere near the very top? Ok Castillo was pretty good and he gave PBF a hard hard match, and on that basis, you think he will go down as an atg if he retired tommorrow. If Hatton continues for yes maybe 5 fights or so winning like he usually does against the best available, or even not the best available like PBF, Hatton will be remembered favourably. The bottom line is i dont think PBF has beaten anyone Hatton wouldnt have beaten! Might not have looked as pretty doing it, wrestling them around the ring even if neccessary. ATG is down to opinion. If its your opinion obviously he wont be an atg becasue we know you wont give credit.

[ThaHorseman]

If i had a penny for everytime someone mentioned the dubious quality of Hattons opposition on this forum i would be a rich man. And for everyman that questions the quality of Hattons opposition you;ll get people questioning PBFs opposition as well. I am not one of those who tend to do it.
But because you have done it..... PBF has fought good guys, but who were they and where are they now if they were good? People like Antonio Barrera is good and he has been around the top 10 for as long as i can remember. Are PBFs opponents anywhere near the very top? Ok Castillo was pretty good and he gave PBF a hard hard match, and on that basis, you think he will go down as an atg if he retired tommorrow. If Hatton continues for yes maybe 5 fights or so winning like he usually does against the best available, or even not the best available like PBF, Hatton will be remembered favourably. The bottom line is i dont think PBF has beaten anyone Hatton wouldnt have beaten! Might not have looked as pretty doing it, wrestling them around the ring even if neccessary. ATG is down to opinion. If its your opinion obviously he wont be an atg becasue we know you wont give credit.

Like I said, If Hatton fights 6 or 7 tough opponents in a row to finish his career then he can get some credit. But he's in his prime fighting guys like Maussa, Collazo and Urango. Not top competition. Floyd fought Castillo and Corrales, both of whom were on top of their divisions for a good part of the past 4-5 years. Those two are better than any two that Ricky has fought. Plus Floyd is fighting 2/3 divisions above his natural weight in May. No doubt Ricky is good, but when will he prove that he's great?

[The Surgeon]

Like I said, If Hatton fights 6 or 7 tough opponents in a row to finish his career then he can get some credit. But he's in his prime fighting guys like Maussa, Collazo and Urango. Not top competition. Floyd fought Castillo and Corrales, both of whom were on top of their divisions for a good part of the past 4-5 years. Those two are better than any two that Ricky has fought. Plus Floyd is fighting 2/3 divisions above his natural weight in May. No doubt Ricky is good, but when will he prove that he's great?

Im a Huge Hatton fan but thats a fair post. He cant just sit on the Tszyu win forever. Hopefully he gets the Castillo fight and wins, which i think he will

[K-DOGG]

if he retires with a 38-0 record along with the opponents hes faced?

No......he hasn't done enough yet to break into the upper elite. He'll be considered a "great" fighter; but not in the league of a Robinson or a Duran or an Ali by any stretch of the imagination.

[K-DOGG]

In my honest opinion maybe not. Oscar deserves higher stature than PBF. Here's why . . . We all know that DLH is a 6 divisional Champ. He held eleven titles which included:

WBO Middle Weight title

WBC Light Middleweight Title; WBA Light Middleweight Title; IBA Light Middleweight Title

WBC Welterweight Title; IBA Welterweight Title; IBF Welterweight Title

WBC Light Welterweight Title

WBO Lightweight Title; IBF Lightweight Title

WBO Super Featherweight Title

Hell, I'd list you as an ATG poster just for remembering all of those alpha-belts.

[Mr. Ryan]

Will he? Yeah, no doubt. But I think his perfect record will be more important to himself and not as much important to others. To me, you have to really test yourself against the best to be a great. Was Corrales a great? No, we all thought he would be a test because at the time we didn't really know how good he was. Was Castillo great? No, but he was exceptionally good. He also fell short of being that kind of talent that would truly test him. And don't give me that **** about how hard the first fight was, it's not tough until you are getting hit with more than one shot at a time.

The fact is, his whole career has been a tight rope of brilliant matchmaking to preserve his record, and the greats don't do that. He tested himself against competition he knew he could beat. Ray Leonard, Duran, Robinson, those guys didn't do that. We never knew what he had inside of him, perhaps he doesn't want us to know.

Arturo Gatti, give me a ****ing break.

[K-DOGG]

Will he? Yeah, no doubt. But I think his perfect record will be more important to himself and not as much important to others. To me, you have to really test yourself against the best to be a great. Was Corrales a great? No, we all thought he would be a test because at the time we didn't really know how good he was. Was Castillo great? No, but he was exceptionally good. He also fell short of being that kind of talent that would truly test him. And don't give me that **** about how hard the first fight was, it's not tough until you are getting hit with more than one shot at a time.

The fact is, his whole career has been a tight rope of brilliant matchmaking to preserve his record, and the greats don't do that. He tested himself against competition he knew he could beat. Ray Leonard, Duran, Robinson, those guys didn't do that. We never knew what he had inside of him, perhaps he doesn't want us to know.

Arturo Gatti, give me a ****ing break.

Which is why....he won't.


The phrase, "All-Time-Great" is waaaay overused and abused.

[Mr. Ryan]

Which is why....he won't.


The phrase, "All-Time-Great" is waaaay overused and abused.

But I do think that his talent and skill is just so good that it compensates for alot. The truth is, he is just so disciplined that he really doesn't dare to be great. I think you need to dare to be great and assert yourself as a serious legend. He'll do that all night against a guy like Gatti who can't really fight on his level, but it would be shocking if he did that with someone on his level. I can see him hit and running the rest of his career, we've already seen what he's got.

Just like Steward said, you wouldn't dare see that from Robinson or Leonard if they were winning that dominant. Why? Because they had heart, they had integrity, they had pride. Mayweather's integrity and pride is reserved for the night clubs and strip joints.