will Floyd go down as an ATG

[hugh grant]

Like I said, If Hatton fights 6 or 7 tough opponents in a row to finish his career then he can get some credit. But he's in his prime fighting guys like Maussa, Collazo and Urango. Not top competition. Floyd fought Castillo and Corrales, both of whom were on top of their divisions for a good part of the past 4-5 years. Those two are better than any two that Ricky has fought. Plus Floyd is fighting 2/3 divisions above his natural weight in May. No doubt Ricky is good, but when will he prove that he's great?

I said if Hatton does well in the final quarter of his career he will be remebered very favourably. Nothing wrong with Collazo at all as an opponent. Certainly as credible as Baldy. Collazo had a worthwhile belt, and so did Maussa if im correct. How can you criticize them as opponents? Hatton follows the belts and he won them, so u cant bicker about what Hatton has acheived there and who he has fought since Kostya. Those opponents Collazo and Maussa wont make Hatton an all time great, but it was definately worthwhile facing them. How can anyone claim otherwise?
PBFS opponents i dont really warrant him an ATG yet. That is all i had a problem with. PBF is good. Very good. But i sit on the fence as to when he will prove that he is great as well. If he beats DLH and Hatton and then a clear up a bit more, and i would say yes.

[aljon]

if he retires with a 38-0 record along with the opponents hes faced?

Why not, he's eliminated whatever was in front of him...
Out of the current active boxers he has the best chance of being a true ATG...

[ThaHorseman]

I said if Hatton does well in the final quarter of his career he will be remebered very favourably. Nothing wrong with Collazo at all as an opponent. Certainly as credible as Baldy. Collazo had a worthwhile belt, and so did Maussa if im correct. How can you criticize them as opponents? Hatton follows the belts and he won them, so u cant bicker about what Hatton has acheived there and who he has fought since Kostya. Those opponents Collazo and Maussa wont make Hatton an all time great, but it was definately worthwhile facing them. How can anyone claim otherwise?
PBFS opponents i dont really warrant him an ATG yet. That is all i had a problem with. PBF is good. Very good. But i sit on the fence as to when he will prove that he is great as well. If he beats DLH and Hatton and then a clear up a bit more, and i would say yes.

Absolutely I can criticize Maussa and Collazo. Maussa has lost 3 of his last 5 fights and one of the wins was against an opponent in his 1st professional fight. Belts don't always equal talent. Collazo is still up in the air. I feel that he is a decent boxer who could beat some guys, but not the top talent. He was one of the guys I include in the "handful of decent opponents" Hatton has fought. Are you seriously trying to say that if Hatton fights 5 more tough fighters then his competition will be greater than Floyd's? He's going to need wins against some names like Cotto, Corrales, Castillo, Witter, and a couple other big name guys to be put on that level. He's fighting a 34 year old Castillo compared to the 29 year old that Floyd fought as well. Like I asked before, When is he going to prove that he's great? And you're crazy if you think Floyd's competition doesn't prove that he's great.

[brownpimp88]

Floyd is more skilled and better than the following people that are ranked in Ring's top 80 fighters of the last 80 years.

kid chocolate
kid gavilan
fighting harada
flash erode
mike mccallum
oscar de la hoya
wilfred benitez
felix trinidad
he will eventually surpass b-hop
sonny liston- yeah floyd has actually accomplished more than him
pancho villa
harold johnson

[hugh grant]

Horseman - I've already said i think Hatton could have beaten PBFs opponents. To be fair i think PBF would have beaten Hattons opponents. So what i am saying is these 2 have to box.
If Hatton boxs great opponents in his last quarter and then yes they will be as good as PBFS. And yes i mean fighting the likes of COtto and whoever there is out there. I said i think Hatton will do well in the last part of his career, and if he does he will be looked as favourably as PBF possibly.
And i said that Collazo wont make Hatton an atg but Collazo hadnt been beaten for years, and he had a belt, i'll give Hatton as much respect for beating Collazo as i give PBF for doing a number on Baldy.
And youre not all there in the head as well if you think Hatton being 2 weight champ and beating Kostya in the mix doesnt make Hatton a boxer who warrants a bit more respect than you are given. If hatton keeps up the good work in his next fights he will be great. If u care to read my first post in this thread i said, - "Its possible PBF will be an atg, but its possible Hatton will be an even bigger one than himself when his career is finished." Your reply is Hatton will never be an ATG.

So, I dont think you are really understanding me. I said PBF was a great boxer. ATG is the next step up the ladder. PBF is very nearly there. So whatsup there?

[deliveryman]

Horseman - I've already said i think Hatton could have beaten PBFs opponents. To be fair i think PBF would have beaten Hattons opponents. So what i am saying is these 2 have to box.
If Hatton boxs great opponents in his last quarter and then yes they will be as good as PBFS. And yes i mean fighting the likes of COtto and whoever there is out there. I said i think Hatton will do well in the last part of his career, and if he does he will be looked as favourably as PBF possibly.
And i said that Collazo wont make Hatton an atg but Collazo hadnt been beaten for years, and he had a belt, i'll give Hatton as much respect for beating Collazo as i give PBF for doing a number on Baldy.
And youre not all there in the head as well if you think Hatton being 2 weight champ and beating Kostya in the mix doesnt make Hatton a boxer who warrants a bit more respect than you are given. If hatton keeps up the good work in his next fights he will be great. If u care to read my first post in this thread i said, - "Its possible PBF will be an atg, but its possible Hatton will be an even bigger one than himself when his career is finished." Your reply is Hatton will never be an ATG.

So, I dont think you are really understanding me. I said PBF was a great boxer. ATG is the next step up the ladder. PBF is very nearly there. So whatsup there?

We'll see when Hatton fights Castillo.

[Dorian]

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[ThaHorseman]

Horseman - I've already said i think Hatton could have beaten PBFs opponents. To be fair i think PBF would have beaten Hattons opponents. So what i am saying is these 2 have to box.
If Hatton boxs great opponents in his last quarter and then yes they will be as good as PBFS. And yes i mean fighting the likes of COtto and whoever there is out there. I said i think Hatton will do well in the last part of his career, and if he does he will be looked as favourably as PBF possibly.
And i said that Collazo wont make Hatton an atg but Collazo hadnt been beaten for years, and he had a belt, i'll give Hatton as much respect for beating Collazo as i give PBF for doing a number on Baldy.
And youre not all there in the head as well if you think Hatton being 2 weight champ and beating Kostya in the mix doesnt make Hatton a boxer who warrants a bit more respect than you are given. If hatton keeps up the good work in his next fights he will be great. If u care to read my first post in this thread i said, - "Its possible PBF will be an atg, but its possible Hatton will be an even bigger one than himself when his career is finished." Your reply is Hatton will never be an ATG.

So, I dont think you are really understanding me. I said PBF was a great boxer. ATG is the next step up the ladder. PBF is very nearly there. So whatsup there?

Like I've been saying, when will he prove it? You keep saying he COULD have beaten all Floyd's opponents, but he hasn't fought that caliber of fighter. You're trying to tell me that in his last few years of boxing, Hatton is going to fight a larger number of credible opponents than Floyd has? What I was telling you was that IMO Hatton will need to fight about 6 straight "very good" to "great" fighters to be on that level. Saying he could have beaten them means nothing in boxing. and Urango is not a very good start. Castillo really doesn't even do much for me at this point, although I would count that as a credible opponent. He'll be 29 and will have fought 2/3 (depending on what Collazo shows in the near future) good opponents. You say he could be higher up than Floyd, I say he's going to need the best 4 years of any fighter in the history of boxing to do it.

[hugh grant]

Like I've been saying, when will he prove it? You keep saying he COULD have beaten all Floyd's opponents, but he hasn't fought that caliber of fighter. You're trying to tell me that in his last few years of boxing, Hatton is going to fight a larger number of credible opponents than Floyd has? What I was telling you was that IMO Hatton will need to fight about 6 straight "very good" to "great" fighters to be on that level. Saying he could have beaten them means nothing in boxing. and Urango is not a very good start. Castillo really doesn't even do much for me at this point, although I would count that as a credible opponent. He'll be 29 and will have fought 2/3 (depending on what Collazo shows in the near future) good opponents. You say he could be higher up than Floyd, I say he's going to need the best 4 years of any fighter in the history of boxing to do it.

Well if Hatton beats Castillo i would like to hear what he says about Hatton compared to PBF. If Hatton could beat Cotto that would have me putting him up there with PBFs record up to now. Followed by PBF. If he beats PBFs then yes as i said Hatton will be up there.
Hatton is ambitious, he wants to be the best, and believes in his ability to be the best. Being the best is a long journey and he is on the long road to it. Urango is the start.

[Emon723]

if he beats dela hoya and retires at 38-0, he goes down in history as one of the few world champions to win titles in 5 different weight classes, quite an achievement, considering thats he's not even 30 yet, floyd could make a case that he's better than casamayor and freitas at 130 and spadafora at 135, but there was challenge that exists at 140-147 in Hatton and Cotto, even margarito and paul williams poses a threat, PBF is a locked at future hall of fame but he still needs to beat these opponents to be considered all time great.