Junior Jones: "I Know I Can Whip Pacquiao"

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Hahahahahahaha ! Same thing in my head pal. But as I said the guy is making a grand comeback into the scene and what could be bigger than mentioning the no1 p4p fighter in the division?


Happy New Year too!

CHEERS!!!!

[ferocity]

What I'm saying is fairly early, his chin was already suspect and his stamina was not among his best assets. Facing a prime Pacquiao who fights like a dervish for all rounds packing such a punch should not even be thought of. It is an idea that may have resonated a decade ago, but not now. Problem about that resonating a decade ago was that Pacquiao was unheard of at the time.

Right at the heels of Jones' twin wins over Barrera, he suffered nearly identical consecutive early stoppages against McKinney and Morales. Before Barrera, a Darryl Pinkney brought in a record of 18-18-2 to the ring and took him out in 3. He floored McKinney a round before he was stopped in the fourth. The Ingle fight was competitive. Until the 11th, some thought JOnes was leading while others had Ingle ahead. JOnes KD'd Ingle in the 8th (or was it 9th?) before he himself was KD'd twice in the 11th on the way to a TKO loss.

Ingle was the fighter who gave Naseem Hamed fits in an earlier losing bid. Although The Prince KDd him several times in the earlier and mid rounds, he came back in the late rounds, started to take control and appeared to be about to finish the job when Hamed struck him with a left hand and took him out.

Yes, Poison was much better than an average fighter. He was very close to elite. But after 4 years or so of absence from the ring (at really competitive level) he should not be talking about Pacquiao and Marquez. Not even about MAB. Maybe he can talk about Kelley, as he has. But, I have reservations about that too.

Those two wins against MAB makes him a retired fighter not easily forgotten. To try to do something beyond that may result in tragedy.

I thought when Jones beat Julio he became elite. Well at least after that fight and after the Barrera fights.

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I thought when Jones beat Julio he became elite. Well at least after that fight and after the Barrera fights.

Right after winning twice over Barrera he was stopped twice early by McKinney and Morales--consecutively.

People did not have a chance to call him elite. The reservations about calling him an elite fighter grew when he was knocked down by Tom Johnson in the 4th round before taking out Johnson in the 7th. He and Johnson met after that Morales set-back. Then, after Johnson, he met a little known fighter named Evatt. He was knocked down twice and was at the verge of being stopped in both occassions. Evatt was winning every round in the eyes of most spectators when a left by Jones ended the fight in the 11th. I don't think people can be predisposed to calling a fighter elite based on a single punch. After Evatt, he faced Tracy Paterson and eked out an MD against the ageing former champ. Then there was that Ingle fight already described in an earlier post.

After Ingle, Jones met Manuel Sepeda. One does not become elite via a UD over a Sepeda. Then came Mike Juarez. Juarez had been KOd by Manuel Medina and Erik Morales before their meeting. Then, there was a fella named after a brand of whiskey (I presume): Johnny Walker. Walker had been KOd in the first round in a fight against Juan Manuel Marquez that immediately preceeded the Jones encounter. JOnes overwhelmed Walker but failed to take him out.

After Walker, JOnes fought one more time: vs. Ivan Alvarez. Jones lost, UD.

I see Jones as one who came close to elite on the way to and after the Barrera fights, but he slipped and slid when facing MCKinney.

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Right after winning twice over Barrera he was stopped twice early by McKinney and Morales--consecutively.

People did not have a chance to call him elite. The reservations about calling him an elite fighter grew when he was knocked down by Tom Johnson in the 4th round before taking out Johnson in the 7th. He and Johnson met after that Morales set-back. Then, after Johnson, he met a little known fighter named Evatt. He was knocked down twice and was at the verge of being stopped in both occassions. Evatt was winning every round in the eyes of most spectators when a left by Jones ended the fight in the 11th. I don't think people can be predisposed to calling a fighter elite based on a single punch. After Evatt, he faced Tracy Paterson and eked out an MD against the ageing former champ. Then there was that Ingle fight already described in an earlier post.

After Ingle, Jones met Manuel Sepeda. One does not become elite via a UD over a Sepeda. Then came Mike Juarez. Juarez had been KOd by Manuel Medina and Erik Morales before their meeting. Then, there was a fella named after a brand of whiskey (I presume): Johnny Walker. Walker had been KOd in the first round in a fight against Juan Manuel Marquez that immediately preceeded the Jones encounter. JOnes overwhelmed Walker but failed to take him out.

After Walker, JOnes fought one more time: vs. Ivan Alvarez. Jones lost, UD.

I see Jones as one who came close to elite on the way to and after the Barrera fight, but he slid when facing MCKinney.

the same mac kinney who was manhandled by luisito?LOL!!!!!!!!!

[GunStar]

I don't think any version of Junior Jones would've beaten Pac!

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the same mac kinney who was manhandled by luisito?LOL!!!!!!!!!

ONe and the same, pal. None other

[phallus]

jones was a pretty good boxer years ago, i think he could have beaten the Pac that beat up barrera, but now Pac has isn't a one handed fighter anymore, and his speed would be a real problem for jones... now, i don't think jones should step into the ring with manny unless he wants serious brain damage. at his age, and after a 4 year layoff, there's no way junior could be what he used to be

[oldgringo]

Right after winning twice over Barrera he was stopped twice early by McKinney and Morales--consecutively.

People did not have a chance to call him elite. The reservations about calling him an elite fighter grew when he was knocked down by Tom Johnson in the 4th round before taking out Johnson in the 7th. He and Johnson met after that Morales set-back. Then, after Johnson, he met a little known fighter named Evatt. He was knocked down twice and was at the verge of being stopped in both occassions. Evatt was winning every round in the eyes of most spectators when a left by Jones ended the fight in the 11th. I don't think people can be predisposed to calling a fighter elite based on a single punch. After Evatt, he faced Tracy Paterson and eked out an MD against the ageing former champ. Then there was that Ingle fight already described in an earlier post.

After Ingle, Jones met Manuel Sepeda. One does not become elite via a UD over a Sepeda. Then came Mike Juarez. Juarez had been KOd by Manuel Medina and Erik Morales before their meeting. Then, there was a fella named after a brand of whiskey (I presume): Johnny Walker. Walker had been KOd in the first round in a fight against Juan Manuel Marquez that immediately preceeded the Jones encounter. JOnes overwhelmed Walker but failed to take him out.

After Walker, JOnes fought one more time: vs. Ivan Alvarez. Jones lost, UD.

I see Jones as one who came close to elite on the way to and after the Barrera fights, but he slipped and slid when facing MCKinney.

To Jones' credit he was winning the Ingle fight AND the McKinney fight before gassing out and being caught by big punches. He dropped both of them and could have had McKinney out of there if he hadn't started going for the gusto and just set up his dazed opponent. Much like you already mentioned though, he was on the other end of that when he stopped that prospect named Evatt (coincidentally on the undercard of another Ingle fight).

I wouldn't call that fight with Patterson an effort in which he "eeked" out the decision either. He won pretty clearly from what I remember...the only judge that didn't reflect that should have been reviewed. Jones won by several points on the other two...I actually remember agreeing with Patricia Jarman for once.

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To Jones' credit he was winning the Ingle fight AND the McKinney fight before gassing out and being caught by big punches. He dropped both of them and could have had McKinney out of there if he hadn't started going for the gusto and just set up his dazed opponent. Much like you already mentioned though, he was on the other end of that when he stopped that prospect named Evatt (coincidentally on the undercard of another Ingle fight).

I wouldn't call that fight with Patterson an effort in which he "eeked" out the decision either. He won pretty clearly from what I remember...the only judge that didn't reflect that should have been reviewed. Jones won by several points on the other two...I actually remember agreeing with Patricia Jarman for once.

I see the Patterson win as clear but lacking in what I expected would have been dominance. That was the reason why I used the word "eked". The fact that Patterson was at the backslope of his career may have been the reason why expected more from Jones. The expectations may have been unfair to JOnes. But be that as it may, the performance was not quite anything that boosts Jones' bid for elite status.

In an earlier post (before the one you quoted) I said, there were people who saw JOnes' jaw as suspect following stoppages against Pinckney and John Michael Johnson (he was floored in the 4th and then again in the 11th). I also added that I thought stamina and endurance were not exactly his best assets. That was the case then; it can even be worse now.

I also said that Jones floored Mc in the 3rd before being himself floored in the 4th. I am not too sure about his having gassed out, as much as I am uncertain that it was the punches received that got him there.

AS for the Ingle fight, I recounted that I also thought Jones was well ahead before the fateful 11th. Somebody posted that it was a closet war and I agree. Jones put Ingle down in an earlier round.

The post you quoted was in response to a post that inquired from me why I do not think of Jones as having been an elite fighter. I replied that I thought Jones was well on his way to becoming an elite fighter (I quote myself: "...was very close...") when he suffered those consecutive set-backs against McKinney and Morales and then was floored before stopping Tom Johnson. His meetings following the Johnson fight did not do much to making him an elite fighter.

In my mind, the Jones before and until the two meetings against Barrera was much better than the Jones that came after the McKinney and Morales fights. This I say even as I acknowledge the facts of that Ingle fight. Ingle subsequently lost to Botile and never fought again after he was brought to the hospital for injuries suffered. It is difficult therefore to gauge Jones' post-Barrera performance based on that Ingle fight, in as much as I cannot be sure how far Ingle could have gone in his career. Previous victory over Medina does not quite help because Medina is notorious for career roller-coaster rides.

Sometimes, it takes subsequent victories by previous opponents in order to put one's own(i.e., JOnes') past performance in better perspective.

[oldgringo]

I see the Patterson win as clear but lacking in what I expected would have been dominance. That was the reason why I used the word "eked". The fact that Patterson was at the backslope of his career may have been the reason why expected more from Jones. The expectations may have been unfair to JOnes. But be that as it may, the performance was not quite anything that boosts Jones' bid for elite status.

In an earlier post (before the one you quoted) I said, there were people who saw JOnes' jaw as suspect following stoppages against Pinckney and John Michael Johnson (he was floored in the 4th and then again in the 11th). I also added that I thought stamina and endurance were not exactly his best assets. That was the case then; it can even be worse now.

I also said that Jones floored Mc in the 3rd before being himself floored in the 4th. I am not too sure about his having gassed out, as much as I am uncertain that it was the punches received that got him there.

AS for the Ingle fight, I recounted that I also thought Jones was well ahead before the fateful 11th. Somebody posted that it was a closet war and I agree. Jones put Ingle down in an earlier round.

The post you quoted was in response to a post that inquired from me why I do not think of Jones as having been an elite fighter. I replied that I thought Jones was well on his way to becoming an elite fighter (I quote myself: "...was very close...") when he suffered those consecutive set-backs against McKinney and Morales and then was floored before stopping Tom Johnson. His meetings following the Johnson fight did not do much to making him an elite fighter.

In my mind, the Jones before and until the two meetings against Barrera was much better than the Jones that came after the McKinney and Morales fights.

hmmmm yes...good post sir. i guess i hastily read over some things and see that you acknowledged much of what i said as well.

the patterson fight was very forgettable. only a couple of notable rounds...jones not doing anything too spectacular against an aging ex-champ who was there for a paycheck.