I've noticed that British boxers have to do 10 times more to get any recognition here

[Left2body]

the UK's boxing talent pool is much much smaller than that of america's, which means they have to go to other talent pools other than their own, which a lot of UK fighters dont do. said UK fighters fight the best the UK has to offer, not what the world has to offer.

I think you nailed it on the head. America's talent pool is much larger and deeper than UK. America's talent pool consist of: Americans, top South Americans Mexico, Columbia i.e. Miranda, Torres, Urango.....etc, Puerto Rico, top Philipines and many top Euro's i.e. Klitchko, Top African fighters i.e. Ouma, Ike Quartey.

Its not that we dislike UK's fighters, its just that we have no way to quantify there ability when they fight guys only known in there own country. We dont like to be told this guy is a HOF when they have only 1 notable win on there record. I think Calz has gotten tons of respect for his fight with Lacy but then he follows up with Bika?

[K-DOGG]

Ok cut the William Wallace speech.

Gatti has fought all of his major fights in the States, and lives here. For the purposes of the boxing discussion he should be considered an American fighter. That's just what he is...not a Canadian fighter.

The Money's here; but he's still Canadian....he just likes those American greenbacks.

[TeamPac88]

I got nothing against the idea of fighters fighting in europe but the truth is that the biggest stage is in america. The best opposition fights in america. Thats why european fighters such as hatton and joe will eventually box here. A similiar thing would be basketball. Theres many great players outside of the U.S. Players like Yao MIng, Dirk, Gasol, Tony Parker, Manu... The list goes on. But they all play in the nba cause thats where the best opposition and exposure lies.

[Exige Jr]

The fact that a point was made about general patterns of behaviour amongst Americans, and then a bunch of Americans enter the thread and follow that same pattern of behaviour just goes to show that this problem is incurable.

The competition is in the States? Wrong.

You mean the nationality of the competition is American? Ok, thats debatable, but for the purpose of this discussion, yes ok.

So why don't a few more fighters get on the next flight out here the same way Lacy did recently and a few other fighters in history have done, and fight here. Hows about securing this "legacy" that people speak of, by fighting around the world, rather than Vegas all the time?

Why must every fighter go to America for everything? Why cant fighters do what a majority of fighters dont want to do and travel everywhere. Hatton has travelled to America, so lets have Floyd over here now, yes?

Its called an aeroplane. Start using it. And to my understand the ticket sales and capacity of the MEN Arena in Manchester for example is larger than that of the MGM Grand in Vegas for example. So that negates the point that more money is in America, because the gate is bigger here. PPV goes unaffected because PPV numbers are the same regardless of the location of the fight. That is the beauty of PPV; viewing from your own home.

[kayjay]

I got nothing against the idea of fighters fighting in europe but the truth is that the biggest stage is in america. The best opposition fights in america. Thats why european fighters such as hatton and joe will eventually box here. A similiar thing would be basketball. Theres many great players outside of the U.S. Players like Yao MIng, Dirk, Gasol, Tony Parker, Manu... The list goes on. But they all play in the nba cause thats where the best opposition and exposure lies.

Yeah but not ALL the best basketball competition is in the NBA. Some players (Bodiroga is a good example) choose to play only in Europe, and top European clubs are almost on par with NBA teams these days. Of course, your average NBA will be unwilling to admit this is even possible, regardless of whether they've done the research.

[kayjay]

The fact that a point was made about general patterns of behaviour amongst Americans, and then a bunch of Americans enter the thread and follow that same pattern of behaviour just goes to show that this problem is incurable.
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Homie read the thread again.

[Exige Jr]

Homie read the thread again.

I read the thread all the way through from start to finish.

With exceptions, Americans came in and did exactly what Anorak was describing.

[El Jesus]

Yeah but not ALL the best basketball competition is in the NBA. Some players (Bodiroga is a good example) choose to play only in Europe, and top European clubs are almost on par with NBA teams these days. Of course, your average NBA will be unwilling to admit this is even possible, regardless of whether they've done the research.

This is a laughable assumption and your going to turn this thread into a subject about basketball rather than boxing.

Bottom line, the NBA IS THE BEST LEAGUE, HANDS DOWN, PERIOD. The NBA game is the toughest league with the best players, if someone chooses to go play in europe rather than here, its because they cant cut it in a rotation out here. The NBA pays the most and gives you all the star power youll ever need, IF YOUR GOOD. Playing in europe is NOT playing out here. and dont bring up **** about the olympics etc, because its a different game internationally, with different rules. but in terms of league play, this is the best league. Dont go talking about research and all that other bull****, europeans have outstanding players, but if they cant cut it here, its because they couldnt rise to the level of elite competion (Dirk/Gasol/Illgauskas/Biedrens/AK-47

[Left2body]

The fact that a point was made about general patterns of behaviour amongst Americans, and then a bunch of Americans enter the thread and follow that same pattern of behaviour just goes to show that this problem is incurable.

The competition is in the States? Wrong.

You mean the nationality of the competition is American? Ok, thats debatable, but for the purpose of this discussion, yes ok.

So why don't a few more fighters get on the next flight out here the same way Lacy did recently and a few other fighters in history have done, and fight here. Hows about securing this "legacy" that people speak of, by fighting around the world, rather than Vegas all the time?

Why must every fighter go to America for everything? Why cant fighters do what a majority of fighters dont want to do and travel everywhere. Hatton has travelled to America, so lets have Floyd over here now, yes?

Its called an aeroplane. Start using it. And to my understand the ticket sales and capacity of the MEN Arena in Manchester for example is larger than that of the MGM Grand in Vegas for example. So that negates the point that more money is in America, because the gate is bigger here. PPV goes unaffected because PPV numbers are the same regardless of the location of the fight. That is the beauty of PPV; viewing from your own home.

The same reason why the New York Yankees haven't moved to Japan. The same reason why Shaq isn't playing in an Italian basketball league. The same reason why Ronaldinho and Beckam dont play soccer in the states........$$$$MONEY$$$$.

Wrong many top fights are 2 non-american's fighting i.e. Pac vs Morales. Why are people in denile about the money? Hatton offered Tzu more money than he would've received in the states or in his native Australia so Tzu went to the UK. You think Tzu wanted to go to the UK and fight at 2am? Also there is a reason why the fight was at 2am.........for the American money.

[TeamPac88]

Yo kayjay i'm referring to were one gets the most exposure, which is here in the U.S. There's nothing wrong playing ball up in Europe, but if they want to be known more than they come here. Same with European boxers. If they want more money and fame, fight here. I'm not saying European boxers are worse than American boxers, it's just that they should come here and fight. They'll make more money coming here. It's that simple. By the way, I think Joe is a great boxer, so there. I'm not biased in terms of ethnicity in boxing.