I've noticed that British boxers have to do 10 times more to get any recognition here

[ThaHorseman]

so castillo is already being labeled as past his prime is he ?

this isn't due to the fact that he is about to fight hatton is it ?

i bet when floyd beats an old de la hoya all the floyd fans wont shut up
yet hatton gets criticised for beating an "old" tszyu.

Castillo is 33. DLH is 33. Castillo couldn't even make weight his last time out. DLH KO'd his last opponent. If you're looking at it from a "what have you done for me lately" perspective, then DLH is more credible. IMO, they are both past their prime. The biggest difference between the PBF-DLH fight and the Hatton-Castillo fight is that Floyd is two weight classes above where he should be and Castillo is just arriving at 140. Fighting a guy in a weight class where he is comfortable and you've never fought presents a pretty big challenge.

As for Tszyu, if you look at my first post I didn't take anything away from Hatton for beating an "old" Kostya, just because I knew people would whine about it. But yes, he was old and coming off surgery and you see what he's done since.

[blockhead]

he has one tool

it's called hit and run which he has done in his last 4 or 5 fights

he is such a *****. i wont ever watch him fight again. i couldnt imagine spending money to watch that garbage.

[iron mike tyson]

Castillo is 33. DLH is 33. Castillo couldn't even make weight his last time out. DLH KO'd his last opponent. If you're looking at it from a "what have you done for me lately" perspective, then DLH is more credible. IMO, they are both past their prime. The biggest difference between the PBF-DLH fight and the Hatton-Castillo fight is that Floyd is two weight classes above where he should be and Castillo is just arriving at 140. Fighting a guy in a weight class where he is comfortable and you've never fought presents a pretty big challenge.

As for Tszyu, if you look at my first post I didn't take anything away from Hatton for beating an "old" Kostya, just because I knew people would whine about it. But yes, he was old and coming off surgery and you see what he's done since.

but last time out castillo kod corales in 4 , and also castillo is geting a warmup at the new wieght b4 thrown to the hitman like a lamb to the slaughter house , hatton got thrown like a lamb at a champion at a higher wieght and grinded out a narrow but unanimous points decision but he still gets **** talked about him as tho he is exactly that

[ThaHorseman]

but last time out castillo kod corales in 4 , and also castillo is geting a warmup at the new wieght b4 thrown to the hitman like a lamb to the slaughter house , hatton got thrown like a lamb at a champion at a higher wieght and grinded out a narrow but unanimous points decision but he still gets **** talked about him as tho he is exactly that

Again, if you look at my previous posts, I took nothing away from Hatton for fighting Collazo just because I knew people would whine. I gave him credit for the Collazo fight even though Collazo isn't even ranked in the top 5 at WW. It was great for Hatton to move up and take a challenge. But you see how he looked doing it.

Castillo, no doubt, had to move up. I'm not going to make any comments about a prediciton on that fight, or give credit/take credit away, until I see how he looks at 140 after his long layoff. I was just stating facts.

[ThaHorseman]

Also, responding to your post in the other thread. PBF has looked good against top competition for years (Hernandez, Corrales, Hernandez, Castillo, N'Dou, Gatti, Judah, Baldomir), Hatton has fought two good opponents and looked good against one. The one he looked good against was 35/36? and coming off surgery. We don't really have much to judge Hatton by due to his lack of competition.

[SquareCircle]

he is such a *****. i wont ever watch him fight again. i couldnt imagine spending money to watch that garbage.

you go fight on the world level with guys who can literally kill you with one shot with a non defensive style, if you want to call people who are defensive *******, why don't you go try fighting with your chin in the air?

i agree with u tho on the spending money part, floyd isnt ppv material for some reason. it isnt the way he fights, either. i like watching floyd work.

[gangland_kingpi]

Yet another thread devoted almost entirely to Brits and Americans arguing. British fighters do occasionally get a rough time on this site e.g. they've only fought bums, blah, blah, blah. But then in defence of that statement, Yankee (I use the word Yankee as a term of endearment) fighters do seem to have better match ups than British boxers but that is largely due to popular PPV demand.

To be fair to the American posters on this site, a lot of them do give credit where credit's due and this national pride issue should not come into what is essentially an international sport.

I feel like a bit of a prick writing this post as I have written various statements in this ilk, "can't we all just get along"?

[Verstyle]

Just making the point.

Guess it goes with the territory.

I'm not - despite assertions to the contrary by those who wish to use detractions and name-calling in place of understanding another's view and discussing it intelligently - a big guy on patriotism or supporting "one's own". I just support who I like.

But it seems to me that every little minor scrap of detail or even fractionally negative (or able to be interpreted as a negative) piece of news about these guys is leapt upon and torn to shreds.

Take the Paler (aka Hatton). I don't much care for him, I want to see him take on someone of a higher profile, I'm not overly keen on his style, and I don't like the way he transgresses some of the rules. (A little hitting and holding, etc.) That's my view on the guy. Obviously if I enter a discussion about him, despite holding these views I usually get some joker clocking my location and going "all you Brits love Hatton, you all think the same, LMAO, pwn" but the view on here's different. Put mildly, while I think the guy is allowed to marginally foul a little too much and is overrated in the P4P rankings (I've got him top 20, not top 7 or wherever he is this week) come on here any day of the week and you'd think the guy was the biggest bum to lace up a pair of gloves combined with Saddam Hussein. He ain't THAT bad.


A lot of leniency on here is given to fighters... I chuckle at the way some of Floyd's fans try to convince the rest of us that his competition since the Castillo fight has been **** hot and he's well deserving of his place in the P4P rankings. (Which is a system taken FAR too seriously anyway, given that it's just a hypothetical transient extrapolation by journalists).


You know, Joe Blow makes some mistakes, but if there was a story on here called "Joe Blow blinks" there'd be people saying he blinked because he's too scared to blink in the states. I wouldn't mind, but until March the US media wouldn't even give the guy a ****ing chance to do anything and he was derided on here as a "Brit f.ag bum". But all of a sudden he's supposed to have had a showcase career on HBO for all these years? You can't have it both ways. I can see the guy's faults, but sometimes there's no perspective. (I also love it when I get told I love Joe because he's from my country, when I don't even come from Wales. )

The Manfredo fight is a showcase fight for HBO and gullible public, it's not a HOF endeavour. It's just there so HBO can sell him to a mass market for a major fight in the summer. But people don't seem to get this incredibly obvious notion, and also no one's mentioning that Manfredo was touted for Roy Jones before the Blow came on the scene.


I ain't saying these guys are perfect - if you read the thread (I mean PROPERLY read it) - you'll see that. But sometimes it seems like the excuses and leniencies afforded others are just way over the top when it comes to not just British fighters but all Europeans who require a little more than switching on HBO to follow their careers.

lennox didnt. and u know why? cause he fought in america most of the time and wasnt cuddled in the uk all his life. every1 knows in order to make it u gotta go to america. may not be right but its the truth.its like to make it in acting u gotta go to hollywood alot of the times.