Pretty Boy Floyd vs Jermain Taylor

[jai mari078]

so you're telling me Mayweather needs to lose 5 or 6 fights before he can be ranked as one of the greatest ever. open your eyes, kid. a guy that goes from 130-160, beating the champ in each division and retiring undefeated is without a doubt one of the greatest that ever lived. I think only Ali and Robinson would be ahead of him. that's just the way it is.

Maybe your the one that needs tok open your eyes if you think Mayweather would even have a chance against Taylor.

[Cletus Funk]

so you're telling me Mayweather needs to lose 5 or 6 fights before he can be ranked as one of the greatest ever. open your eyes, kid. a guy that goes from 130-160, beating the champ in each division and retiring undefeated is without a doubt one of the greatest that ever lived. I think only Ali and Robinson would be ahead of him. that's just the way it is.

Gatti the champ at 140? DLH the champ at 154? "The chump" at 147 was Baldomir FFS. Yeah, that's the stuff that all time #3 p4p fighters are made of.

I can actually feel my brain cells dying when I read your posts.

[RE1600]

at some point in the fight floyd would need to really trade with jermain to get his respect and stop jermain from walking over him getting him even against the ropes etc or like sugar ray v hagler throw massive combos but sugar ray could **** 2 just ask hearns i dont think he has the power to get that respect

[jai mari078]

at some point in the fight floyd would need to really trade with jermain to get his respect and stop jermain from walking over him getting him even against the ropes etc or like sugar ray v hagler throw massive combos but sugar ray could **** 2 just ask hearns i dont think he has the power to get that respect

You have got to be kidding me. Floyd should stand in and trade with Taylor. Thats has got to be one of the ******est things I have heard. Floyd would get his ass knocked out and for you to even think that is some kind of good strategy blows my mind. You know what I want him to as well, that way I can see him get knocked the **** out.

[PATO 1]

why the **** would a super-feather need to fight a huge middle and lose to prove somethin

some of the ****in idiots on this site have no clue

[Mishra100]

Can this thread die please.

[DiegoFuego]

LOL it's funny how when Mayweather vs. Wright was being discussed in 2005, nobody doubted Floyd could beat him but when it's Taylor, everybody gives Floyd no shot at all. I do agree that Taylor is much more difficult for Mayweather than Wright but beating Taylor is not inconceivable. Mayweather > Duran and look at all he accomplished.

[K-DOGG]

For the record, I doubted Mayweather beating Wright.

Could Mayweather beat Taylor? Honesly, as green as Taylor is, yes, it is possible.

Would it make Mayweather a guaranteed all time p4p Great? No. Taylor is still green has yet to really impress as a middleweight champ. How many times did he hit Ouma cleanly? Taylor couldn't even knock out Joppy, who got flattened by a former welterweight. So, Taylor, despite his popularity, hasn't really proven himself "great"...no where near it. Some credit must be given to him for hangind tough with Hopkins and Wright; but he did anything but establish himself as the superior fighter in those three fights.

Also, there's the issue of Baldomir. Carlos was a tough cookie and an inspirational story; but know one had even heard of him before he upset Judah...who was always overrated IMO. Floyd's win over Baldomir was very immpressive as was his win over Judah; but were either of those "greats"? No.

If Mayweather beats Oldar De La Hoya and then beats Taylor it is very impressive; but doesn't not guarantee All-Time-Greatness, IMO......it does put him up there; but not beyond refute due to Oscar being past his best and Taylor not really having gained respect as a "champ". The surest shot for Mayweather to attain merits worthy of all-time-greatness is to spend a little time in the Welterweight division and defeat the fighters currently inhabiting the Top 10.....Cotto, Margarito, Mosley, etc. Prove you're the best at a weight, then move up if you want to.

Mayweather hasn't really proven himself at any one weight since he fought at 130.....we've all just presumed he was the best because of his "skills". At lightweight, beating Castillo was sufficient; but he could have done more. At Jr. Welterweight, he beat Arturo Gatti, which, in the end, meanst nothing other than he was a Top 10 Jr. Welterweight. We "presume" he could have beaten Tszyu and Hatton; but we don't "know" that because he didn't prove it.

Beating Judah and Baldomir and winning the lineal Welterweight Championship was a good move; but dominance is the key to greatness. Robinson cleaned out the welterweight division and the middleweight division. Benny Leonard owned the lightweights as did Duran...and then Duran moved up and beat one of the best Welterweights who'd ever lived. Leonard was no Baldomir....and he hung tough with Hagler, one of the greatest Middleweights who ever lived. Taylor is no Hagler.

While it's true that it's not Floyd's fault that he was born when he was, you have to make the most of the situation....and he did great at Jr. Lightweight, and very good at Lightweight, and, so far is doing very well at welterweight; but there are other really good fighterse out there he could prove himself against...and "proof" is everything in the hurt-business.

Pernell Whitaker beat all the best lightweights and welterweights....in other words, every big name fighter of his time. That's why he's great and an all-time great. If Floyd wants as much recognition as Pernell or more, after De La Hoya, he's got dates with Cotto, Margarito, Mosley, and Williams....or their conquerors.

Talk is cheap in boxing. You wanna be the best....prove you are.

[Oasis_Lad]

For the record, I doubted Mayweather beating Wright.

Could Mayweather beat Taylor? Honesly, as green as Taylor is, yes, it is possible.

Would it make Mayweather a guaranteed all time p4p Great? No. Taylor is still green has yet to really impress as a middleweight champ. How many times did he hit Ouma cleanly? Taylor couldn't even knock out Joppy, who got flattened by a former welterweight. So, Taylor, despite his popularity, hasn't really proven himself "great"...no where near it. Some credit must be given to him for hangind tough with Hopkins and Wright; but he did anything but establish himself as the superior fighter in those three fights.

Also, there's the issue of Baldomir. Carlos was a tough cookie and an inspirational story; but know one had even heard of him before he upset Judah...who was always overrated IMO. Floyd's win over Baldomir was very immpressive as was his win over Judah; but were either of those "greats"? No.

If Mayweather beats Oldar De La Hoya and then beats Taylor it is very impressive; but doesn't not guarantee All-Time-Greatness, IMO......it does put him up there; but not beyond refute due to Oscar being past his best and Taylor not really having gained respect as a "champ". The surest shot for Mayweather to attain merits worthy of all-time-greatness is to spend a little time in the Welterweight division and defeat the fighters currently inhabiting the Top 10.....Cotto, Margarito, Mosley, etc. Prove you're the best at a weight, then move up if you want to.

Mayweather hasn't really proven himself at any one weight since he fought at 130.....we've all just presumed he was the best because of his "skills". At lightweight, beating Castillo was sufficient; but he could have done more. At Jr. Welterweight, he beat Arturo Gatti, which, in the end, meanst nothing other than he was a Top 10 Jr. Welterweight. We "presume" he could have beaten Tszyu and Hatton; but we don't "know" that because he didn't prove it.

Beating Judah and Baldomir and winning the lineal Welterweight Championship was a good move; but dominance is the key to greatness. Robinson cleaned out the welterweight division and the middleweight division. Benny Leonard owned the lightweights as did Duran...and then Duran moved up and beat one of the best Welterweights who'd ever lived. Leonard was no Baldomir....and he hung tough with Hagler, one of the greatest Middleweights who ever lived. Taylor is no Hagler.

While it's true that it's not Floyd's fault that he was born when he was, you have to make the most of the situation....and he did great at Jr. Lightweight, and very good at Lightweight, and, so far is doing very well at welterweight; but there are other really good fighterse out there he could prove himself against...and "proof" is everything in the hurt-business.

Pernell Whitaker beat all the best lightweights and welterweights....in other words, every big name fighter of his time. That's why he's great and an all-time great. If Floyd wants as much recognition as Pernell or more, after De La Hoya, he's got dates with Cotto, Margarito, Mosley, and Williams....or their conquerors.

Talk is cheap in boxing. You wanna be the best....prove you are.

quality

probably the best post i will read all year on this site

[K-DOGG]

quality

probably the best post i will read all year on this site

Thanks, mate. I really appreciate the high praise.