the scoring of Ali vs. Frazier I

[BoxingFan2]

Ali hurt Patterson's back with his jabs in middle rounds of that fight. He couldn't fight Ali when his back was good. Patterson played that he was hurt more than he was. That was just his excuse for being beaten so easily, just like Liston when he said his shoulder hurt after stoppage. Everybody finds excuse after losing.

[Kid Achilles]

It's more about physically showing your power by moving your opponent's head with the punches. That wins rounds on the scorecards.

And yes you can definitely tell that Frazier threw harder punches in that fight.

[BoxingFan2]

I'm not saying that Frazier didn't throw harder punches but when his punches landed Ali's head movement when being hit helped him get hurt less, but for those watching it looks that they hurt more than they actually do. Frazier just went through punches and they had to hurt him, no matter how hard they were thrown.

[Kid Achilles]

But it's not about who was hurt more, as that is sometimes impossible to gauge, but who looks like they've been hurt more by punches. The judges will always score against a guy who's head snaps back with every punch, even if it's intentionally, to take the force off of the punch. Still looks bad and hurts you in the scoring.

[hemichromis]

Kid Achilles,
Power punches are power punches, and Ali hit Frazier with his own power punches. You can't tell whose punches hurt more, Ali had tendecy to move his head when get hit. You would think when watching it that he was hurt more than he was because of his head movement but actually it helped him. Frazier would just go through punches, so those punches hurt more than they would if he knew to move his head with punch.

if you watch alot of alim fights you can tell the difference. sometimes when he was actually hurt he would overact being hurt so people didn't think he was hurt-does that make sense?

ali got dazed quite a few times in that fight i only saw frazier look dazed once

[hemichromis]

Ali hurt Patterson's back with his jabs in middle rounds of that fight. He couldn't fight Ali when his back was good. Patterson played that he was hurt more than he was. That was just his excuse for being beaten so easily, just like Liston when he said his shoulder hurt after stoppage. Everybody finds excuse after losing.

patterson had a history of a bad back this is why he was doing better against aliin the second fight at 37! i think a prime patterson without the back issues woud have given ali a good fight and possible dropped him wqith the hook but ali would still win in the end

[hemichromis]

But it's not about who was hurt more, as that is sometimes impossible to gauge, but who looks like they've been hurt more by punches. The judges will always score against a guy who's head snaps back with every punch, even if it's intentionally, to take the force off of the punch. Still looks bad and hurts you in the scoring.

somebody who snaps their head back intentionally is an idiot! a following punch would tear their head clean off thier shoulders

[Kid Achilles]

I'm talking about guys who roll with the punche so their head moves with it as opposed to a guy who keeps his neck and head in place when hit.

[K-DOGG]

No offense; but me thinks some of you are watching the fighters and not the fight, if you get my meaning.

[BoxingFan2]

Ali moved his head with a punch in all of his fights, he did it to be hit with less force, that's why he was dropped only three times in his career. He wasn't hit many times with combinations, he was too fast and had reflexes to avoid it. Ali said before his fight with Patterson that he was going to hit him with six punches to his every miss, and that's what happened. He didn't expect him to get injured, but injury did happen during I think sixth round. Patterson continuosly got hit with jabs it snapped his head so his back hurt him, but he still continued fighting. He looked better when he fought than when he would go back to his corner, that's why I think he played that he was hurt more than he was.