the scoring of Ali vs. Frazier I

**butterfly1964** · 10-15-2006, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by ceboxer15

did anyone actually score the fight for Frazier, cause I watched the fight like three times and everytime I watched it, I couldn't help but always having the fight scored 8 rounds to 7 for Ali, anyone else here think that Ali won the fight?

I scored it 7-6-2 for Frazier.

**kayjay** · 10-16-2006, 07:40 AM

Because it's such a thrill to watch I'll try to squeeze it in again today sometime and I'll post a score. But I will forewarn you that I think Frazier won the fight clearly. I never counted how many rounds Ali took but they were not that many in my opinion.
Really though is there any history of controversy over the scoring of this fight?

**dassler** · 10-16-2006, 10:00 AM

No controversy here. Frazier took too many of the middle rounds and pressured Ali until late into the fight.

I'll post a score when I get the chance.

**BoxingFan2** · 11-01-2006, 06:19 PM

Hi. This is my first post. I'm boxing fan too. One of the reasons that I want to post in this topic first is because I never understood why there's not more talk about this to me controversial decision. I don't see controversy of giving victory to Frazier because he did have those two big rounds, 11 and 15, he did pressure Ali almost the whole fight, but if you try to score the fight round by round, Ali actually won more rounds. I don't know if any of you know the fact that both judges and the referee gave rounds 3 and 4 to Frazier. None of them gave those rounds to Ali. In third round Ali is just beating Frazier and hitting him with all punches in the book and then Frazier scored a hook 10 seconds to go and then hit Ali with few body shots as Ali covered. That's just not enough to even the round, but actually he was given that round. In fourth round Ali is doing the same all over. Frazier hit Ali with hook 40 seconds to go and maybe with two more hooks, but Ali ended that round well with combinations of one-two of his own. Little closer round than third but definitely Ali's. Both of those rounds are Ali's because he controlled very large part of them and he was never really hurt by Frazier's hooks, not yet that early in the fight. This is how I scored the fight. It's 8-6-1 for Ali.
1. Ali
2. Ali
3. Ali
4. Ali
5. Ali
6. Frazier
7. Frazier
8. Frazier
9. Ali
10. Ali
11. Frazier
12. Frazier
13. EVEN
14. Ali
15. Frazier

Ali won first five rounds, and I don't know how Frazier survived that beating. Frazier started to smoke in fourth round but really his first round was sixth, and then seventh, but that round was close fought, and in eight Ali was doing nothing. Ali came back in ninth when he hurt Frazier and won tenth also, that was the round when referee accidently hit Frazier in the eye. Frazier almost knocked down Ali in eleventh and that carried him in 12th, but he started to tire in that round. Ali won first half of 13th round and then the best action of the fight on the ropes as they both fire bombs at eachother. Frazier got better of it, but Ali won first half which makes it even round. Fourtheenth was Ali's for sure and it looked like Frazier was really tired and he was missing a lot with his hooks, also tried to rest his head on Ali's chest which he was doing during the fight but you here comentator only metioning Ali's holding, but Frazier's head pushing forced Ali to hold. And then in 15th round it looked like Ali was going to whoop Frazier all over again when Frazier suddenly scored a knock down which really saved him. He beat Ali pretty bad for the rest of that round but in the end they were both very tired.
As I said it's not controversy that Frazier won, he had Ali down in 15th, badly hurth in 11th, but if you score the fight round by round Ali won more rounds, especially those two, third and fourth. With those two rounds given to Ali the score would be 8-6-1, 8-7, 6-9, split desicion Ali.

**butterfly1964** · 11-01-2006, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by BoxingFan2

Hi. This is my first post. I'm boxing fan too. One of the reasons that I want to post in this topic first is because I never understood why there's not more talk about this to me controversial decision. I don't see controversy of giving victory to Frazier because he did have those two big rounds, 11 and 15, he did pressure Ali almost the whole fight, but if you try to score the fight round by round, Ali actually won more rounds. I don't know if any of you know the fact that both judges and the referee gave rounds 3 and 4 to Frazier. None of them gave those rounds to Ali. In third round Ali is just beating Frazier and hitting him with all punches in the book and then Frazier scored a hook 10 seconds to go and then hit Ali with few body shots as Ali covered. That's just not enough to even the round, but actually he was given that round. In fourth round Ali is doing the same all over. Frazier hit Ali with hook 40 seconds to go and maybe with two more hooks, but Ali ended that round well with combinations of one-two of his own. Little closer round than third but definitely Ali's. Both of those rounds are Ali's because he controlled very large part of them and he was never really hurt by Frazier's hooks, not yet that early in the fight. This is how I scored the fight. It's 8-6-1 for Ali.
1. Ali
2. Ali
3. Ali
4. Ali
5. Ali
6. Frazier
7. Frazier
8. Frazier
9. Ali
10. Ali
11. Frazier
12. Frazier
13. EVEN
14. Ali
15. Frazier

Ali won first five rounds, and I don't know how Frazier survived that beating. Frazier started to smoke in fourth round but really his first round was sixth, and then seventh, but that round was close fought, and in eight Ali was doing nothing. Ali came back in ninth when he hurt Frazier and won tenth also, that was the round when referee accidently hit Frazier in the eye. Frazier almost knocked down Ali in eleventh and that carried him in 12th, but he started to tire in that round. Ali won first half of 13th round and then the best action of the fight on the ropes as they both fire bombs at eachother. Frazier got better of it, but Ali won first half which makes it even round. Fourtheenth was Ali's for sure and it looked like Frazier was really tired and he was missing a lot with his hooks, also tried to rest his head on Ali's chest which he was doing during the fight but you here comentator only metioning Ali's holding, but Frazier's head pushing forced Ali to hold. And then in 15th round it looked like Ali was going to whoop Frazier all over again when Frazier suddenly scored a knock down which really saved him. He beat Ali pretty bad for the rest of that round but in the end they were both very tired.
As I said it's not controversy that Frazier won, he had Ali down in 15th, badly hurth in 11th, but if you score the fight round by round Ali won more rounds, especially those two, third and fourth. With those two rounds given to Ali the score would be 8-6-1, 8-7, 6-9, split desicion Ali.

Ali definetely lost.

1.Ali
2.Ali
3.EVEN
4.Ali
5.Ali
6.Frazier
7.Frazier
8.Frazier
9.Ali
10.EVEN
11.Frazier
12.Frazier
13.Frazier
14.Ali
15.Frazier

**BoxingFan2** · 11-01-2006, 06:37 PM

I don't think it was enough to even round with just one hook and few body shots in the end of that third round. The third round was the most dominant Ali's round. Frazier couldn't score to the body and Ali hit him with some powerfull upercutts.

**butterfly1964** · 11-01-2006, 06:43 PM

Originally posted by BoxingFan2

I don't think it was enough to even round with just one hook and few body shots in the end of that third round. The third round was the most dominant Ali's round. Frazier couldn't score to the body and Ali hit him with some powerfull upercutts.

Ali's best round was the ninth round, and he still lost. maybe he hit frazier with more punches, but Frazier hit him with the harder punches and hurt Ali more than Ali hurt him, which is what counts.

**BoxingFan2** · 11-01-2006, 07:54 PM

Wasn't it Frazier who was in and out of hospital for two weeks following this fight. There were rumors of him dying, and he was never the same after this bout. I guess it was because he was hurt more, and his face looked like a mess. Without that 15th, last round whooping, knockdown and beating after that Ali's face wouldn't look bad as it did.

**butterfly1964** · 11-01-2006, 08:38 PM

Originally posted by BoxingFan2

Wasn't it Frazier who was in and out of hospital for two weeks following this fight. There were rumors of him dying, and he was never the same after this bout. I guess it was because he was hurt more, and his face looked like a mess. Without that 15th, last round whooping, knockdown and beating after that Ali's face wouldn't look bad as it did.

Frazier's face was bruised more because Ali landed more punches, but Frazier landed the harder blows to the jaw. That's why it was swollen to mlon size.

the scoring of Ali vs. Frazier I