History of the Heavyweight Championship

[QueensburyRules]

briggs never won the title from Foreman, foreman vacated it several fights before

- -They was talkin'bout the. Mythical lineal title.

[Marchegiano]

briggs never won the title from Foreman, foreman vacated it several fights before

Sonuva

Okay, can anyone here tell me the full story of Old George's lineal run?

[Anthony342]

Sonuva

Okay, can anyone here tell me the full story of Old George's lineal run?

Well if you're talking lineal, then Briggs won the lineal HW title from Foreman.

A quick check of Wikpedia shows Foreman was stripped of his WBA title belt for refusing to fight their mandatory Tony Tucker and then was stripped of his IBF belt when he couldn't agree to terms on a rematch with Axel Shulz after winning a controversial majority decision against him. Foreman instead opted to retain a minor WBU trinket he won from Shulz, while picking up another one from the IBA, then defended the lightly regarded WBU belt one more time against Lou Savarese before fighting Shannon Briggs, this time coming out on the losing end of a controversial majority decision and retiring.

Sorry, not the full story, but was what happened in regards to Briggs. The Legendary Nights episode on Foreman vs. Moorer on youtube should tell you more.

Or this:

[billeau2]

Well if you're talking lineal, then Briggs won the lineal HW title from Foreman.

A quick check of Wikpedia shows Foreman was stripped of his WBA title belt for refusing to fight their mandatory Tony Tucker and then was stripped of his IBF belt when he couldn't agree to terms on a rematch with Axel Shulz after winning a controversial majority decision against him. Foreman instead opted to retain a minor WBU trinket he won from Shulz, while picking up another one from the IBA, then defended the lightly regarded WBU belt one more time against Lou Savarese before fighting Shannon Briggs, this time coming out on the losing end of a controversial majority decision and retiring.

Sorry, not the full story, but was what happened in regards to Briggs. The Legendary Nights episode on Foreman vs. Moorer on youtube should tell you more.

Or this:

Sometimes I get the feeling that certain discussions regarding the lineal are sort of like... You (Anthony) and I are cowboys defending some wife and children, we have our finest Eastwood stares down, I am ready to take a bullet and die a martyre and all that good stuff, the music in the backround is right... Maybe the theme from bonanza? And then you show up with a Gatlan gun and start talking like George Raft!

I bring you Kobe beef and rare truffles and you grab a few cans of Microbrew beer Christmas addition! No red wine in the joint!

The Lineal has to be simple. Questions about disbanding it, or who holds it should be obvious. It is in the design! The design is simple! The man who beats the best becomes the best, the fans now know for whom to rally. When it loses its simplicity? sometimes its best to let it reestablish when it is needed again.

[Anthony342]

Sometimes I get the feeling that certain discussions regarding the lineal are sort of like... You (Anthony) and I are cowboys defending some wife and children, we have our finest Eastwood stares down, I am ready to take a bullet and die a martyre and all that good stuff, the music in the backround is right... Maybe the theme from bonanza? And then you show up with a Gatlan gun and start talking like George Raft!

I bring you Kobe beef and rare truffles and you grab a few cans of Microbrew beer Christmas addition! No red wine in the joint!

The Lineal has to be simple. Questions about disbanding it, or who holds it should be obvious. It is in the design! The design is simple! The man who beats the best becomes the best, the fans now know for whom to rally. When it loses its simplicity? sometimes its best to let it reestablish when it is needed again.

Was just thinking of you this week. Do you know there's a 30 for 30 on Bruce Lee coming up in a couple of weeks on Sunday on ESPN? So set your DVR or check it out online or on DVD if you're interested in another Bruce Lee documentary. I believe this Sunday it's part 2 of their Lance Armstrong doc. So check your local listings for that one.

[QueensburyRules]

- -30-30 Winchester weren't no heavywt.

Call it a middle weight, overall the best combo of balance, accuracy, ease of operation and the lever operated ejection and loading system fast and reliable, and better!

Popularity guarantees easy access to affordable ammo.

Win/win on every front, so super Bruce gonna be sidestepping as he knocks down these puppies mid flight?

Remember, he once stopped a charging Rhino with a single one inch punch!

[Willie Pep 229]

Well if you're talking lineal, then Briggs won the lineal HW title from Foreman.

A quick check of Wikpedia shows Foreman was stripped of his WBA title belt for refusing to fight their mandatory Tony Tucker and then was stripped of his IBF belt when he couldn't agree to terms on a rematch with Axel Shulz after winning a controversial majority decision against him. Foreman instead opted to retain a minor WBU trinket he won from Shulz, while picking up another one from the IBA, then defended the lightly regarded WBU belt one more time against Lou Savarese before fighting Shannon Briggs, this time coming out on the losing end of a controversial majority decision and retiring.

Sorry, not the full story, but was what happened in regards to Briggs. The Legendary Nights episode on Foreman vs. Moorer on youtube should tell you more.

Or this:

RE: Big George and the lineal title.

This is from Jeff Ryan, Personal Perceptions, KO Magazine, March 1996.

I am not suggesting that Ryan be considered a guru of the game, but I thought it might be interesting to see what the contemporaneous wags were saying at the time.

"Since my opinion has always been that the linear [SIC] champion (the man who beat the man) is the true heavyweight titlist, Foreman is still recognized in this column as king of the big men. Well it's time for him to fall down against someone already so the crown can be passed on to a person who might actually defend it more than once a year."

But, the 'KO Ratings' from this same issue has Big George ranked in the #5 slot. (Bowe is ranked #1 w/o a title)

This was during a time when KO didn't recognize any one individual as a champion, ranking all fighters from 1 to 10 regardless of title claims.

Frank Bruno (WBC) was ranked 6th, with Bruce Seldon (WBA) coming in 9th.

P.S. I think you pretty muh nailed the events as they happened.

[billeau2]

Was just thinking of you this week. Do you know there's a 30 for 30 on Bruce Lee coming up in a couple of weeks on Sunday on ESPN? So set your DVR or check it out online or on DVD if you're interested in another Bruce Lee documentary. I believe this Sunday it's part 2 of their Lance Armstrong doc. So check your local listings for that one.

Thanks for the heads up...there have been a ton lately. I used to train with guys who knew the Oakland scene and the fact that bruce lee was respected tells me eveything I need to know about his credibility. Oakland was a fairly tough place to establish oneself and he managed. its not the Chinese guys so much as the local gentry...they loved Bruce and the only way that love happened in Oakland is if the person demonstrates real fighting ability.

[Anthony342]

Thanks for the heads up...there have been a ton lately. I used to train with guys who knew the Oakland scene and the fact that bruce lee was respected tells me eveything I need to know about his credibility. Oakland was a fairly tough place to establish oneself and he managed. its not the Chinese guys so much as the local gentry...they loved Bruce and the only way that love happened in Oakland is if the person demonstrates real fighting ability.

Like the Sinatra song Love and Marriage goes "Ask the local gentry and they will say it's elementary" lol.

[billeau2]

Like the Sinatra song Love and Marriage goes "Ask the local gentry and they will say it's elementary" lol.

I thought that was from married with children!