If Mike didn't go to jail in 1992 what changes in his career?

[thebrownbomber_]

I mean, come on. It is clear that the Tyson-Holyfield fight was in big talks all in 1989. There were even interviews after Tysons fight with Williams which Tyson vs Holyfield was brought up like a million times.

[Nash out]

Mike was a very exciting fighter, but he was really just fringe world level for me. Looks amazing against guys 1 or 2 levels below him, but anyone world class, or anybody with a good jab, would cause him problems/beat him.

I think more excuses are made for Mike Tyson, than any other boxer in history. it's always he would have done this, he would have done that, every loss is past prime. He's similar level or just below someone like Povetkin.

[BKM-]

Mike was a very exciting fighter, but he was really just fringe world level for me. Looks amazing against guys 1 or 2 levels below him, but anyone world class, or anybody with a good jab, would cause him problems/beat him.

I think more excuses are made for Mike Tyson, than any other boxer in history. it's always he would have done this, he would have done that, every loss is past prime. He's similar level or just below someone like Povetkin.

I wouldn't say anyone with a jab. There's several types of styles that can overcome the overrated peek-a-boo style, I'd say fighters who could hit hard and had a good chin, that's a combo of attributes that is relatively rare to find in the HW division and yet Tyson fought in an era that had more of those type of fighters than any other HW era in boxing history.

And how many of those did Tyson fight? ZERO POINT ZERO.

He had plenty of time before and after prison to fight terrified journeymen-alphabet title bench warmers who posed no threat to him.

But he never stepped foot in the ring against a guy who can hit him hard and take his shots as well. All the punchers he did face were chinny.

His fans will always reach hard for the many excuses they can find to avoid this matter, and when analyzed it really does make Tyson look very bad. Tyson was a student of the game and knew who he could match up with well, and when.

[QueensburyRules]

Mike was a very exciting fighter, but he was really just fringe world level for me. Looks amazing against guys 1 or 2 levels below him, but anyone world class, or anybody with a good jab, would cause him problems/beat him.

I think more excuses are made for Mike Tyson, than any other boxer in history. it's always he would have done this, he would have done that, every loss is past prime. He's similar level or just below someone like Povetkin.

- -U gnashing U gums again.

[QueensburyRules]

Lewis and Tyson had mutual respect for eachother. So did Tyson and Holyfield. They always used to root for eachother in the amatuers.

- -Don't change they in different leagues and divisions when Mike consolidated the ABC belts sorta like U being in kindergarten.

[QueensburyRules]

Not a bad point, but as brownholebomber just pointed out above, the original fight between them was postponed due to Tyson claiming a rib injury.

And then he ****d a beauty queen just to get out of the fight. That's a joke, but you can see that prison wasn't a valid excuse.

Tyson did the same thing he did with Lennox Lewis and George Foreman. He kept postponing and delaying the inevitable: Facing his beatings. With Big George he never even said 1 word about that fight he was so terrified.

He knew he couldn't beat those guys. Tyson played dumb, I mean he was obviously a very dumb individual who couldn't even read as an adult, but he played dumb like those guys weren't around in his prime.

He knew exactly who these guys were. He sparred young Lennox back in the Cus days. He had many run ins with Evander in the olympics. He knew that these 2 men were different than the terrified no hopes he was facing.

Evander was a big star at the same time as Tyson and went heavyweight in 88, don't you don't think he couldn't have done a superfight with Holyfield way before it was being seriously discussed?

Instead he was fighting Williams, Bruno, Douglas, Tillman, Stewart and Ruddock in those 3 years before prison.

I always say the same: Tyson was terrified of facing punchers with good chins. He was even more terrified of facing fighters not terrified of him.

- -Douglas the emergency replacement for Foreman after Tainan Square tragedy cancelled their $25 mil Chinese fight.

Field stuck in the nascent Loserweight div trying to aveng almost dying at the hands of the tubby sawed off Qawi and Lewie still in his BigBoy trainers and headgear when Mike became the first ever ABC Heavy champ.

What grade was U in then?

[BKM-]

- -Douglas the emergency replacement for Foreman after Tainan Square tragedy cancelled their $25 mil Chinese fight.

Field stuck in the nascent Loserweight div trying to aveng almost dying at the hands of the tubby sawed off Qawi and Lewie still in his BigBoy trainers and headgear when Mike became the first ever ABC Heavy champ.

What grade was U in then?

I was born 10 weeks after Douglas knocked Tyson out.

[New England]

By that point Cus had already died and Rooney was gone and he was well under the sway of Don King. So if he didn't get convicted for **** what do those lost years do for his career?

tyson vs bowe. we probably never get bowe - holyfield 3 times. i'd need to think about the timeline to think if we even get it at all in their primes. depends on whether or not either guy could beat tyson in 92.

i think bowe beats him if he's in shape. 6'5" and he can jab. might get starched doe

[Anthony342]

So you mean to tell me that Tyson had time to fight both Bruno and Carl Williams, but not Holyfield? I mean, the rib injury was legit, but him chosing to get into trouble partying and not training for Holyfield is simply inexcusible. The fight should have happened in 1989. Both were prime, both were healthy, no excuses. Why did he even fight Douglas in the first place? Holyfield was number one when Tyson fought Douglas.

Because he thought Douglas would be an easy tune up. Everybody did at the time. Holyfield was supposed to be Tyson's next opponent. That's why he was in the audience at the Tyson/Douglas fight. I agree on the other points made in this thread though. Inexcusable indeed. I think in 1990 and 1991 he wanted to, but not after that. But whether he did or not, like I said, if both of them keep winning, Tyson couldn't avoid him any longer.

[JAB5239]

- -Douglas the emergency replacement for Foreman after Tainan Square tragedy cancelled their $25 mil Chinese fight.

Field stuck in the nascent Loserweight div trying to aveng almost dying at the hands of the tubby sawed off Qawi and Lewie still in his BigBoy trainers and headgear when Mike became the first ever ABC Heavy champ.

What grade was U in then?

I've already debunked this nonsense. There was no fight for Tyson-Foreman ever set. It was proposed, that's it. Why do you continue to spread lies on here. Honestly, this should be grounds to be banned.